Well, that didnt take long

Feast your eyes https://www.xenora.ca/about-us.html

Well, to be fair… I once worked with an Anglo-Arab who felt that lunging was supposed be that way… and his former owner/trainer thought it was good for him as it was “natural” and what horses do in he wild.

Yeah - mustangs always want to rip around on a circle at top speed leaning at a 45 degree angle…

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The JLC connection makes sense of all this.

I actually do have an interest in biomechanics and classical dressage, and I took a look at his online stuff years ago. I also have a graduate degree that involved reading reams of philosophy and pontificating translated from French and German. And also reading lots of papers by other graduate students and learning to put my finger on the exact spot they lost their way with this material and descended into gibberish.

In other words I feel uniquely qualified to state with absolute certainty that JLC actually makes very little sense, is internally contradictory, and is not a good source of horsemanship. I don’t know what he’s like in person. He may be magnetizing to a certain level of rider, especially a middle aged woman who is looking for an “alternative” to whatever.

So this thread is an interesting update on what happens to his students. I agree she shouldn’t be calling herself a trainer but it’s client beware in our unregulated system.

However hasn’t she shot herself in the foot? The only people who’d be interested in her are other JLC followers but now she’s been expelled from the group. Ok.

Also I’m unclear on the timeline. Had a difficult birth with 5 days hospitalization and comes home to start up a training program?

As far as her indigenous status, I’m not going to ever comment on that based on phenotype. I know a fair number of indigenous people and many are of mixed race. How dark they are is a matter of genetic luck. One person was raised by a single mother in an indigenous community but her absent birth father was very fair European ancestry and as an adult she represents and works for the indigenous community though she does not look the part. She has official status too through her mother which helped with college tuition. So I would never judge someone on a photo without knowing their community situation.

On the other hand, yes we do get a certain number of totally nonindigenous people with no community connections playing Indian especially in the arts and academia where this can confer a small advantage.

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“It’s worth the drive to Acton!”

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Apparently, they’re working this horse on pavement, since the foot is perfectly flat on the working surface and doesn’t cut in at all. This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen.

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Well, I think not commenting on it is the quite normal thing to do. Yet, it was brought up in her post, not sure why or the relevance because I don’t think anyone would assume “indigenous” by looking at her. Call me a cynic, but it felt more to me like pulling a card - “look what JLC did to me as an indigenous woman.” And while we are here, her complaining about a lack of wealth while being privileged enough to own/work with horses comes off as a real conundrum to me since simply owning a horse in itself establishes a certain type of wealth far superior to much of the world’s population who is merely struggling to eat everyday.

Chalk it up to being dramatic, I suppose.

But yes, I also agree, the French Dressage connection to Maestro Corndog makes sense to me as well.

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There are NO photos in the gallery of horses working in an arena with a rider aboard. Very strange.

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typical no videos hardly any photos…but they are the Whos Who afterall…LOL

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She is living in the back of beyond in ranch country in Western Canada. So the baseline costs of acquiring and maintaining horses are going to be lower there than almost anywhere else.

That said, her entire self presentation is a lot of cray cray blaming and entirely not self aware.

In rural areas, even in some of our suburbs here, you can find fairly marginal people keeping horses on a shoestring. Marginal economically and also emotionally. I watched the fire and flood rescues last year and found it interesting how many quite marginal folks were living in the back country of BC either rented acreage or something they bought years ago. Some had horses too.

She clearly didn’t work and then her husband lost his job. That is a hardship whether or not he got Covid relief. $2000 a month wouldn’t make up for any half decent salary.

So I don’t doubt from all the evidence she’s presenting that she’s been in financial stress, has limited options, no social support system, and isn’t skilled at navigating social networks like that around JLC.

Btw some of the world’s poor who are struggling to make ends meet also have horses. Check out the excellent work by the British charity Prince Fluffy Kareem on FB who help out the Egyptians who make a living with donkeys and horses!

Anyhow this woman is clearly a marginal nobody, but I guess she attracted attention by being an online troll. I expect that if she lived local we’d pay her little attention.

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It was probably more than they were making before based on the fact she wasn’t working before? Also lets not forget child tax for two people who arent working with how many kids? Living on over $4000 a month might not be luxury but its not like they had nothing to live off, and considering neither were working its not the worst.

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She wouldn’t get a benefit if she hadn’t lost income, in Canada.

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unemployment was increased though, and lets be real, everyone and their cousin was on CERB that wasnt working lol

But I don’t think we can assume that this particular person who apparently has no recent work history managed to game the system and get $2000 a month that she didn’t qualify for.

Unemployment maxes out at $1600 a month which will barely rent you an apartment in the city :slight_smile: and I don’t think it was raised significantly during Covid. It wasn’t doubled, certainly.

The lockdown was financially hard on many people and I see no reason to doubt that it was hard on her too, because everything else about her suggests she is marginal, poorly educated, and has limiting emotional issues. I am sure being able to charge per hour to teach or train would be a huge boost for her. However I also see no evidence that anyone has ever paid her to do so because she does not have the skills needed. And I’m sure JLC like all clinic series maintains some oversight over credentials of its students.

If you hang out at higher more competent levels of horses in a higher cost of living area, it might be surprising exactly how marginal and cray cray horse keeping can be in the hinterland :slight_smile:

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FWIW, I’m talking outside of the North American bubble. We lived privileged lives and I still believe those who have the ability to own horses for pleasure are still in far better positions than half the world which are struggling on a few dollars a day and eating hand to mouth.

I don’t think she’s so disadvantaged. I also believe she is college educated.

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Hmm. She can’t spell. She’s giving lots of evidence of emotional or psychological issues. She lives in the back of beyond. I don’t read all this as being a privileged middle class woman functioning on all 4 cylinders just self promoting and trolling. There’s red flags to stuff really off in her way of being.

I think it’s a red herring to say no one in North America can complain about being in a financial pinch because we aren’t living on $1 a day in a shanty town in sub Sahara Africa. It’s all a continuum. I’m quite willing to believe that her finances are restricted relative to the average income in her community, which is the only comparison that matters. And as I said before rural Alberta in cattle country is probably the most economical place in Canada to source and keep horses. It’s insane how cheap the hay is before it gets trucked out to the BC coast!

But being broke is no excuse for the rest of the charade, pretending to be a trainer and trolling online (if that’s her and not one of the others). Clearly she’s not able or willing to go look for a job she’s qualified for, whatever that may be. But to me the whole picture is kind of pathetic not something I’d get the big guns out to shoot down.

A quick Google shows me you can get 1300 lb roundbales of hay or alalfa mix in central Alberta for $100 a bale, under $200 a ton. While in Vancouver buying square bales from Alberta will cost $700 to $800 per ton this year. Figuring I feed between 3 and 4 tons a year per horse that would be about $750 a year in Alberta and up to $3200 in Vancouver. Less in Alberta if you have summer pasture. In other words, you don’t need that much cash or privilege to have a backyard horse or two in rural Alberta. And I think prices have skyrocketed in the past couple years. I remember seeing $100/ton alfalfa for sale in Alberta a few years back.

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Oh good grief.

And I believe I shall launch my new program, Dressagers of HeavenTM or D’OHTM. As CEO and esteemed guru— having attended every Star Trek convention in North America and a pilates class at my local Y— I have developed a method whereby I merge both the Vulcan Mindmeld and a good enough pelvic curl to create Angelic HorsemanshipTM or AH!TM Sign up for my online tutorials and YouTube videos and soon you and your horse will become D’OHTM Angels. Or at least you’ll be more flexible. And know how to do this:
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Not in this case lol. I’d rather spend my money on a nice leather couch than a “seat symposium” with Herr Hollenbach :wink:

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But you couldn’t get CERB benefits unless you had lost work or lost hours due to the pandemic. If she hadn’t been working for some time, she wouldn’t qualify for CERB and may have already used up EI.

DO IT! All you need is a bunch of made up terms, a website, and a cool title for yourself and you’ll be raking in the bucks! That being said, having a penis and an accent also seems to be an asset when targeting this particular market.

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:laughing: Sadly, all I can muster is a bit of a swagger and a threadbare bathrobe.

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