It is not ok for any rider to be abusive with a bit.
When WD horses get blue tongues and flowing spit call me and we’ll continue the conversation.
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Western riders are also confused…
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It always comes to insults, doesn’t it.
I refuse to ride in a double. Riding in a double is not like getting a PhD though you seem to think it is.
I prefer to ride off my body, not the face.
That’s just me. I’m not a crank n spank kinda gal.
Well color me shocked that you have no idea why I’d post these pictures. /s
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Why don’t you give me a tour of what you think you see in each pic and I shall respond.
No thanks, if I’m going to talk to someone who is being willfully obtuse and obstinate, I’d rather it be my dog.
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Being the quality of riding shown in those pics varies and some won’t prove your point AT ALL I can understand you backing away.
Sorry you took it as an insult. And from your latest post, I maintain that you don’t have much in the way of correct dressage training, and are making uninformed statements about a piece of equipment you “refuse” to use.
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All these assumptions!
I’ve had excellent dressage training.
Long term excellent dressage training. You might be quite surprised that I haven’t grown up in a box.
My dressage mentor is world famous. I was with them for YEARS.
There is nothing lacking in my experience other than I was never an international rider. Based on what I’ve seen of international riders nowadays - the cream of the crap - are you really sure not being them is a deficit?
Dressage has been under scrutiny for its cruelties for years. Recently, some of the dirty little training secrets have been exposed. Are you sure that dressage is the discipline you want to hold up as the beacon of superior horsemanship?
Dressage folks are so brain washed about horses flexing and taunt reins and BTV riding that you can’t even fathom riding otherwise.
And then you call ME the fool.
I find that hysterical!
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Well, the disconnect here is what is intended in dressage and western riding is so different, the concepts are really antagonistic to each other.
We can train and ride any horse any way we want, horses learn and do whatever we ask.
As riders we learn to use whatever our purpose and tasks are, to ride in any saddle or none, horses working in any bit, is what determines who can be considered an accomplished rider.
Decades ago I won a local western pleasure class, before the peanut roller fad, on a four year old filly I had just started, a month under saddle, wearing our colt starting cutting type “galloping” hackamore, noseband made out of an old grass rope, fiador from old latigo reins and a Johnson halter.
I was asked to fill a class for points, was just taking filly there to the experience only.
It was my first time in a western saddle, the stirrups didn’t even come up far enough for short me, I didn’t reach the bottom, had to hold them with my foot to keep them from banging around.
Won because others missed leads or such.
My point with that story, as an advanced rider you should be able to ride with any you have to ride with, there is purpose to all, considering the horse first, using your own judgment of course.
More important, if we don’t know what we are doing, learn first, don’t dismiss it because you are not familiar with it?
Thankfully with horse we are always learning and improving on how we communicate with them, no matter what language we use, dressage or western both of us learn, how wonderful is that?
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Tiny correction. A rein pulled back is TAUT. Taunt is an entirely different word. Carry on (:
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I agree.
Judges judging WD are looking for things like rideability, softness, relaxation.
Dressage nowadays is all about gaits most riders can’t sit on horses most riders can’t ride.
I by far prefer the world of WD when it comes to issues of welfare and sound/sane long term partners.
Sure watching dressage and horsies dancing sideways is fun, but most people don’t want to torture their horses for it.
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Talk about assumptions! I’m sorry that your exposure to dressage has been so terrible. I guess I’m fortunate that mine has been very different.
No one called you a fool. If that’s your takeaway, OK.
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My exposure to dressage is what everybody’s exposure to dressage is.
If riders like Werth, Helgstrand, Kittel, CDJ, Parra don’t bother you at all then yes, your exposure to dressage varies vastly from mine.
Who said this? Show me.
Full quote. Let’s pretend words mean literally what they mean and we aren’t implying anything. Yup, yup.
Back to talking to my dog. At least I know she can’t understand me, and isn’t misunderstanding on purpose while claiming to be some sort of superior.
Meanwhile our resident dressage guru has no problems with people riding intro in a spade on contact. Sweet.
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Now who is making assumptions?
I would not have any beginner nor most any riders riding in a spade bit.
The word IF doesn’t change meaning when it’s followed by 10 other words instead of 8 other words.
I’m not misunderstanding you on purpose. I’m debating your point of view with my point of view. This would not bother you in the least bit had the discussion began with a sincere curiosity for the sport rather than a predetermined bias for the sake of stating how stupid other disciplines and riders are.
When you start with this bias, the total lack of respect enables dismissiveness.
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Again. Show me.
It doesn’t take exact phrasing to express emotion or thought.
Your condescension speaks volumes.
BTW Your dog is calling.
