Endophyte-free fescue doesn’t revert back unless it’s competing with existing endophyte-enriched fescue.
Equinelaw, so you wanted your horse to gain 100 lbs in one week?
No, I just wanted him to gain. The critical mass of whatever is in the feed just plumped him up in a greater measure then the feed increase.
Could be the limiting amino acid he wasn’t getting enough of, could be some other ingredient, but he has lots of pasture so most of the gain was from being able to utilize the grass better. I only fed him 15 more lbs of feed, so no way he gained all that from grain:)
Could be the lysine, could be the probiotics, could be the fat, the flax, the garlic keeping away the bugs. . . . I don’t know, its all in there already. Nothing has to be added.
Its much cheaper then adding any suppliment becuase we have our own mill here.
If I had OPs problem and needing subtract wieght I would have a much harder time.
Where are you that you have your own mill? Just curious. 
I live in Aiken SC. They make Banks Mill feeds here. The feed store is accross the street so there is no price increase for shipping. The premimium feeds are still $14 a 50 lb bag, so I assume its becuase its made locally?
Its great stuff, but I think its only availible in about 5 states as yet. They have a whole line of feeds. I feed the senior elete which I think is like Pennfeilds medow herb or TC senior.
If I have doubts about what really in it I can walk across the street and see it made.
You’re lucky. We have a feed mill about a 1/2 an hour away but it looks like a trash heap and doesn’t have the very best reputation.
grayarabpony
-if you have neighbors or roadsides that have regular fescue planted anywhere within bird or wind range, you would be wise to have your fields tested if you have broodies on them.
Yeah, we have that too, but the local mill is more of the new start of a national premium brand. Its state of the art and they work closely with KER for their formulas.
I really like the feeds, but its not like I can reccomend them. They only sell them at so many places. If they had a larger area I guess at the other end it would cost more?
We really are lucky here, we have the best of everything. Of course we have enough horses and $$$$$ to pay for it so poor folk likeme get all the benefits:) The show peopel and polo peopel and race trackers pay premium prices for hay and tack so the feed costs can stay low. No mail order buyers here. They buy local and pay retail.
Banks Mill Feed-eh,? I’ll have to remember that one!
That sounds great equinelaw! How truly lucky you are!!!
If you can get it you can sell it. I have been reading the threads about feed prices. I think $5 cheaper matters to people.
It is made with Soy though, but they have all kinds of differnt formulas that are “whatever free” and a website to see whats in which.
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grayarabpony
-if you have neighbors or roadsides that have regular fescue planted anywhere within bird or wind range, you would be wise to have your fields tested if you have broodies on them.[/QUOTE]
The fields are tested, and no endophyte. Our neighbors have bermuda pastures. Forest is on the other side. We have 50+ acres, most of which is woods and other native plants.
Thanks but I don’t need advice about pasture management.
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The fields are tested, and no endophyte. Our neighbors have bermuda pastures. Forest is on the other side. We have 50+ acres, most of which is woods and other native plants.
Thanks but I don’t need advice about pasture management.[/QUOTE]
Why do some of you guys continue to be so damn snarky on this thread…good grief people, lighten up. 
Daydream, how much soy were you feeding? Compared to your horse’s total diet.
I am developing a lactose intolerance problem in my old age (40), but it only shows up when I eat larger portions, such as a bowl of ice cream or yogurt. I can put half-n-half in my coffee, and eat a little cup of chocolate pudding (yum!) but anything more than that at one sitting will give me indigestion.
Flash…I honestly don’t know how much there is in this feed but soy constitutes the first two ingredients. My horses were getting a lb to two pounds a day of it depending on their status…young horse, broodie, maintenance, etc… I can tell you that it’s the first them I fed a RB and a feed with that much soy in it based on the label anyway. My horses were getting a supplement with soy in it but only one ounce a day.
Grayarabpony- glad your fields tested endo free!
There have been some bad problems in our area from people who had spent the money for endo free fescue & road fescue overtook it by way of wind or birds. They learned that by very expensive or sad lessons depending on the case.
equinelaw-e-mailed them for future expansion info:cool:
great site & products. Wish they were in our area! at least they are only
ONE state away!
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[QUOTE=grayarabpony;3500926]The fields are tested, and no endophyte. Our neighbors have bermuda pastures. Forest is on the other side. We have 50+ acres, most of which is woods and other native plants.
Thanks but I don’t need advice about pasture management.[/QUOTE]
Why do some of you guys continue to be so damn snarky on this thread…good grief people, lighten up. [/QUOTE]
Actually I was being polite, not snarky. After all, I could have told her to piss off.
Thomas, don’t y’all also feed byproducts from the distilleries to horses?
I mean, could we get good single malts for the horses there?
If anyone thinks that the studies on dogs and cats for food are humane, go tour the purina hqtrs in St. Louis if you can still do the tour. I used to live in St. Louis and we’d go out there a lot. Sometimes you couldn’t visit the cats, as they showed the effects worse than the dogs. And the dogs, poor things. Breeding and testing feeds, and of course lots of dogs and cats die for the “studies”.
Does Paul Newman allow testing like that with his dog and cat foods?
Meanwhile, back to soy. My barn feeds ADM which has soy hulls. I need to go back to Seminole, I think.
Seminole is also soy based
I just switched my boys over to a soy based diet a month ago, and now that they’re fully switched I found this thread! I know my BM just loves how much I play with their feed trying to find the “perfect” diet.
So, now that I’m paranoid about soy, if anyone can tell me what they feed (low starch and not sweet feed- one of the boys is ulcer prone) that doesn’t contain soy, I would really appreciate it.
Maybe this thread will get back to soy alternatives rather than questioning everyone else’s management practices.
Low starch options that don’t contain soy in a packaged feed are very very hard to find. I don’t even know if they exist. I looked at some Triple Crown forage the other day…grass in a bag basciallly…and it had soy oil in it also. Hopefully some folks can suggest some alternatives but I don’t know what they are at the moment.
What I am doing now is feeding alfalfa pellets to all of my horses. Not much either…maybe 1 lb a day which is about 1/3 of a 2 quart scoop. Beet pulp is also low NSC and most horses accept it well. I will add oats or barley on top of the alfalfa pellets to horses that need additional calories for weight, growth or work. Believe it or not, you can balance the cal/phos and provide most horses with all the protein they need with good grass hay, oats and sometimes a bit of alfalfa.
Now you will probably need to supplement minerals and possibly amino acids and maybe some of the fatty acids. It really depends a lot on the forage you have. I am waiting on a hay test to return and I will have a custom mineral mix done for my farm.
Equipride.:lol:
I swear i need stock in that company as many times as I say that.
TriAmino for the amino acids.
OR Dynamite…
At least the soy products (HES and TNT) are not GMO soybeans.
