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Why do other diciplines slam the H/J world so much?

Hunter/Jumper
#121

Unfortunately this is one of the cold hard truths of life.

There are only X amount of really talented horses out there while there are 10X people that would very much like to own them. So whether your goal is to ride PSG, A/O hunters, high juniors, prelim or any olympic disciplines, unless you were one of those very lucky, very few people to a) find that talented individual when he was still affordable, b) recognize he was a talented individual, c) be talented enough yourself to not screw up his talent and d) have all this happen at a time and place when you could afford to showcase his talent, chances are you are going to need to pay for all of the above if you want to succeed at the highest levels of any given aspect of this discipline.

We call this the “Nobody ever said life was fair” philosophy." But you knew that. :wink:

But I’ve noticed some people don’t ever really learn that life lesson or think it somehow doesn’t apply to their discipline. Bullshit. I could try all day long and my hunter (who I happen to think is pretty darn good at his job) would just not ever light the world on fire in any upper level dressage classes. Just ain’t happening. And my old hunter, who I hoped would be my event horse? Oh that was so NOT happening. Not without one of us dying. And that hunter? Oh he was only the best damn stylist I have ever sat on, but guess what? © and (D) above were not happening back then. I was clueless and po’, and I’ll be lucky if another horse that good ever crosses my path again. I certainly can’t afford one like him. Too bad, so sad. Life ain’t fair, and here’s a chorus of violins playing my heart bleeds for DMK.

And when people talk about not placing because they weren’t “dressed the best”, that just cracks me up. I have pictures of me at WEF in too short off the rack boots and my $50 Devon-Aire jacket which obviously didn’t fit and was in “unfashionable” hunter green. I promise you, it didn’t make a difference in my placings. Meanwhile, today I go out there with my version of pushing the envelope. Brown helmet, mocha breeches, bling on the spurs, vibrant colored ratcatchers and some serious bling in the belt, which I learned (after watching a video) is VERY obvious when the jacket flaps up. Again, NOT traditional, and again, doesn’t make a difference in the placings.

#122

Discussing and brainstorming ideas for ways to improve the level of competency at the lower levels. There is an active thread nearly every day related to improving the sport in some way, shape or form.
It’s gotta start somewhere. Check out the thread that Pywnn started about rewarding “Mastery”. Alot of people are on board and I think with collective support it will help to improve the LL’s of the sport. As you noted, the LL’s have their own handful of problems and I am not one to deny that:winkgrin:

No one is saying that H/J’ers ARE NOT seeking to improve the sport. I responded because you compared the problems of the Hunter Ring to the problems of UL eventing . Obviously the issues faced in the UL of eventing are considerably more earth shattering than the laying on the neck in the Hunters.
However, that’s not to say the levels that ARE comparable (BN, N,T ) don’t have members and riders fighting for improvement of ALL levels in the sport. That’s my point.

I think the International Hunter Derby is a step in the right direction as far as improving the Hunters. I wish I had the skill, money and horse for the division! :smiley: That said, I for one would love to see something done specifically for the lower level divisions like the A/A and the Modifieds that the masses participate in and make up the divsions which many Hunters blame their" bad rap" on.

#123

[QUOTE=Nski32;3099475]
Quickly skimming all of this thread I have to say that I too hate the bashing of the h/j world, but I dont let it get to me and I just deal with it.

Every dicipline has its flaws, none are perfect, and everyone has a preference. I personally chose hunters because as a little girl who wasnt able to ride, I always went to our state fair and sat in the coliseum and wished that one day I would have a horse and I would ride and jump. Finally in 10th grade we moved to the country and I was able to start riding.

Eventing is not my thing, but I give props to those who do it. I dont have the guts to do it. The idea of being able to crash over solid obstacles so easily freaks me out. It took me a long time just to get the guts to jump a coop.

Just because I ride the hunters doesnt mean I agree with all aspects of it. I personally dislike WB’s and I would never buy one. I will never have “daddy” paying for everything, and I sure as hell dont worry about having the perfect “brands”. I brush/wash/braid/tack my own horse. I work my ass off 5-7 days a week just to ride. I ride whatever is in the barn and do my best to get that horse ready for the show ring.

I am that girl that shows the local circuit and maybe a rated show here and there. I am that girl who will proudly ride the OTTB turned hunter.

I do my best to look the part and ride the correct way- not laying on my horses neck, not having an over-dramatic release and doing my best to have a good solid leg. I do my best to make the horse look the part as well.

I welcome anyone to the h/j world, but agree that it is what it is and you must accept it before entering…[/QUOTE]

i agree with most of what was said in this (and I cant believe I just read 6 pages of this!!:eek:). A good seat is a good seat and is just as valuable in hunters as it is in jumpers as it is in xc. I ride hunters b/c I love it, simple as that. Do what u love.

#124

[QUOTE=enjoytheride;3098387]
Will a judge actually pick someone with the in style saddle or jacket and the poor ride over someone with the out of style saddle/black coat but perfect ride?

Or do people just think they will?[/QUOTE]

Oh, they will. One rider had a history of winning, and ended up winning a class at a show. I go and look at her pictures (Mind you this was Eq.) and she was ducking with her head parallel to her horses neck, and leg swung wayyyyy back. Compared to another rider with an good record, but not a winning record, who had much better posture then the winner. Judges do that. its sick. :no:

#125

Obviously the steriotypes will still exist, but I think we need to respect the strengths of each sport. The evenness of the hunters, the grace of the dressage horse, the boldness of an eventer, and the agility of a jumper. Can’t we all just get along?

#126

Yeah, a simpler way of saying what I was trying to… thanks. :wink:

#127

All, most?, all? subjective sports have some bad judges. In sports from show hunters to figure skating there are judges that can’t find a good performance with a seeing eye dog. Experienced competitors shrug them off, try not to show under them, and move on. It is only a few, they just generate all the talk.

I do wish more hunter riders would boycott judges that they know are bad. You wouldn’t believe how easy it is to leave a judge with no invitations to judge when the competitors stay away in droves. It is done in dog showing all the time.

#128

Things I’ve learned from COTH:

[LIST=1]

  • If your horse has seen more needles than Amy Winehouse... you might be a hunter princess
  • If you can't see a spot to save your life, but you can tell Tailored Sportsman from Ariats from (shudder) Miller's at 200 meters… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse spends more time working on his forehand than Roger Fedderer… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse's purchase made a noticeable blip on the GDP of the European country in which you bought him, but you stiff the groom and braider… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you've ever squealed "daddy, you have to send the money--I neeeeeeed a new Buteeeeet", [I]and you're 46 years old[/I]… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your barnmate holds up the ring for 2 hours, so you resolve to hold it up for 2 ½ hours (Who's the real diva here? Bitch doesn't even ride a warmblood!)… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse could complete the Indy 500 in the time he spends on the lunge line… you might be a hunter princess. (Bonus points if you squeal "he's so fresh today" when the half dead animal swishes at a fly.)
  • If your tack room is awash in ribbon displays and trophies, but you can't tell a snaffle from a Snapple… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your preferred "drapery" is not a window treatment... you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you need draw reins, a standing martingale, a double twisted corkscrew bicycle chain Pelham, and a tack nose band just to ride your horse at a trot… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you need your trainer to school your horse in the low hunters, special hunters, hopeful hunters, modified hunters, wanna-be hunters, sometimes hunters, and thinking-about-it hunters before you can ride a course of cross rails (twice around the outside)… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you watch a beautiful round by a talented young eventer cross over on a marvelous horse (every distance nailed, pace so even they're thinking about using it replace the atomic clock, horse jumps out of its skin and moves like silk) and you sneer "poor dear, didn't her trainer tell her that helmet is soooo last year; we're all wearing the Charles-GP-Owens-A Platinum 5 now"… you might be a hunter princess.[/LIST]

    This story is based on recent events and has been exaggerated, modified, and blatantly fabricated for dramatic effect. Any resemblance to persons alive, dead, undead, unborn, preborn, amateur, pro, or shamateur is purely coincidental. No horses were harmed in the making of this post (at least no warmbloods, we don’t care about lesser horses). Your mileage may vary. Past performance cannot guarantee future results. Professional driver on a closed course.

    • #129

    TOO FUNNY!

    I hope everyone takes that for what it is…comedic genious…well done!

    #130

    [QUOTE=dogchushu;3099799]
    Things I’ve learned from COTH:

    [LIST=1]

  • If your horse has seen more needles than Amy Winehouse... you might be a hunter princess
  • If you can't see a spot to save your life, but you can tell Tailored Sportsman from Ariats from (shudder) Miller's at 200 meters… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse spends more time working on his forehand than Roger Fedderer… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse's purchase made a noticeable blip on the GDP of the European country in which you bought him, but you stiff the groom and braider… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you've ever squealed "daddy, you have to send the money--I neeeeeeed a new Buteeeeet", [I]and you're 46 years old[/I]… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your barnmate holds up the ring for 2 hours, so you resolve to hold it up for 2 ½ hours (Who's the real diva here? Bitch doesn't even ride a warmblood!)… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse could complete the Indy 500 in the time he spends on the lunge line… you might be a hunter princess. (Bonus points if you squeal "he's so fresh today" when the half dead animal swishes at a fly.)
  • If your tack room is awash in ribbon displays and trophies, but you can't tell a snaffle from a Snapple… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your preferred "drapery" is not a window treatment... you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you need draw reins, a standing martingale, a double twisted corkscrew bicycle chain Pelham, and a tack nose band just to ride your horse at a trot… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you need your trainer to school your horse in the low hunters, special hunters, hopeful hunters, modified hunters, wanna-be hunters, sometimes hunters, and thinking-about-it hunters before you can ride a course of cross rails (twice around the outside)… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you watch a beautiful round by a talented young eventer cross over on a marvelous horse (every distance nailed, pace so even they're thinking about using it replace the atomic clock, horse jumps out of its skin and moves like silk) and you sneer "poor dear, didn't her trainer tell her that helmet is soooo last year; we're all wearing the Charles-GP-Owens-A Platinum 5 now"… you might be a hunter princess.[/LIST]

    This story is based on recent events and has been exaggerated, modified, and blatantly fabricated for dramatic effect. Any resemblance to persons alive, dead, undead, unborn, preborn, amateur, pro, or shamateur is purely coincidental. No horses were harmed in the making of this post (at least no warmbloods, we don’t care about lesser horses). Your mileage may vary. Past performance cannot guarantee future results. Professional driver on a closed course.[/QUOTE]

    ahaha I forsee this being a chain email in the near future …you might wanna slap a copyright on that baby. Well done. :wink:

    • #131

    Not to pick on you personally, RideTX, but I wanted to respond to your quote because I read almost the same words a lot online about the eq division. Maybe in your case there were politics involved or maybe not. But I think a lot of people place way too much emphasis on the position in the eq, and it can lead to this perception of politics. Your rider with the less than perfect posture could very possibly have had the best course, and that far outweighed any position flaws. It’s mostly about the actual ride, even if the division IS equitation. A flawed position is going to beat a flawed course almost every time, because the riders are not being judged on still pictures, they’re being judged on how they are influencing their horse. When the judge has rounds to choose between that are in the same score range, then they can place more emphasis on posture. But when the girl with the leg that slides back finds the jumps, and the others make mistakes, then she’s going to win.
    Again, I just used your post to make a point, because it seems online you run across a lot of “it must be politics, my leg/release/hands/seat looks MUCH better than Miss Equitation Star 2008’s”, but very few people stop to wonder if their ROUNDS look better than the rider’s whose picture they’re picking apart.

    #132

    :lol: That’s a TRIP!

    #133

    flame suit needed??

    I can’t help but post to this thread…though I might regret it :winkgrin:

    As a competitor that happens to event (used to do the h/j as a kid) I don’t think I bash the hj but for me personally, I find the hj warm-ups scarier then x-c… I’ve tried to use the very accessable hj shows to prep for my stadium, cause I could have multiple rounds to school. But I must say the warmups are so intimidating, jumps that are not flagged with about 50-70 riders using the warm up :eek::yes: and if BNT takes over one of the jumps…no one else can use???:no: and I wasn’t the only one told I couldn’t “use” that fence…

    The other thing I personally don’t like is the class is open, and I’ll do my round cause no one else wants to go, which is fine, but then I wait for 30minutes or more till the next rider goes… what is up with that, don’t want to sit on my horse for hours, sorry! class opens at 9am…that’s when you get there, why is this hard :confused:

    I work very hard to try to make my jumping rounds as smooth as a hunter round, but call me crazy, I don’t do the hj stuff because I can’t stand the lack of organization. This to me isn’t a bash on the people who are hj, more a lack of convience that I find tough to work around. This is a personality difference in humans. People who are control freaks like me :winkgrin:, want organization and structure, therefore I event because that sport allows me that aspect of my personality.

    I think the hj world gets picked on because it so openly allows what onlookers might call “cheating” Flame suit on!! Sorry, but that is a perception that others have. In eventing or dressage, a competitor cannot have anyone ride their horse at a show, at all. And most eventers at least, do most or all the riding themselves, few horses are always in training with a perfessional. You also cannot buy or lease a horse that has been qualified for nationals by one person and have someone else ride it on the other persons ability. I think this opens up the perception that the sport is about who has the most $$. Is this fair to all those that don’t do this, no. But like someone else had mentioned, we all have aspects in our sport that perhaps need to be looked at closer and perhaps changed.

    That all said, there are aspects of eventing that I don’t like either, but that’s a whole other thread!! :lol:

    #134

    Recently one of my professors attended a horse show. I was riding in a clinic that weekend. The conversation between him and me the evening after day 1 of the clinic (Saturday):

    professor: How was the lesson thing?
    me: It was good. But I think I’m not going to be able to walk tomorrow.
    professor: (long pause, looks confused) Not to sound offensive, but why? Don’t you just… sit there?

    Now granted he is obviously not a horse person, but still. I totally understand why others have difficulty understanding why making it look as though we are sitting and doing absolutely nothing is hard. I always try to make the figure skating analogy to non-horse folk.

    #135

    [QUOTE=dogchushu;3099799]
    Things I’ve learned from COTH:

    [LIST=1]

  • If your horse has seen more needles than Amy Winehouse... you might be a hunter princess
  • If you can't see a spot to save your life, but you can tell Tailored Sportsman from Ariats from (shudder) Miller's at 200 meters… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse spends more time working on his forehand than Roger Fedderer… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse's purchase made a noticeable blip on the GDP of the European country in which you bought him, but you stiff the groom and braider… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you've ever squealed "daddy, you have to send the money--I neeeeeeed a new Buteeeeet", [I]and you're 46 years old[/I]… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your barnmate holds up the ring for 2 hours, so you resolve to hold it up for 2 ½ hours (Who's the real diva here? Bitch doesn't even ride a warmblood!)… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse could complete the Indy 500 in the time he spends on the lunge line… you might be a hunter princess. (Bonus points if you squeal "he's so fresh today" when the half dead animal swishes at a fly.)
  • If your tack room is awash in ribbon displays and trophies, but you can't tell a snaffle from a Snapple… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your preferred "drapery" is not a window treatment... you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you need draw reins, a standing martingale, a double twisted corkscrew bicycle chain Pelham, and a tack nose band just to ride your horse at a trot… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you need your trainer to school your horse in the low hunters, special hunters, hopeful hunters, modified hunters, wanna-be hunters, sometimes hunters, and thinking-about-it hunters before you can ride a course of cross rails (twice around the outside)… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you watch a beautiful round by a talented young eventer cross over on a marvelous horse (every distance nailed, pace so even they're thinking about using it replace the atomic clock, horse jumps out of its skin and moves like silk) and you sneer "poor dear, didn't her trainer tell her that helmet is soooo last year; we're all wearing the Charles-GP-Owens-A Platinum 5 now"… you might be a hunter princess.[/LIST]

    This story is based on recent events and has been exaggerated, modified, and blatantly fabricated for dramatic effect. Any resemblance to persons alive, dead, undead, unborn, preborn, amateur, pro, or shamateur is purely coincidental. No horses were harmed in the making of this post (at least no warmbloods, we don’t care about lesser horses). Your mileage may vary. Past performance cannot guarantee future results. Professional driver on a closed course.[/QUOTE]

    Can I print that out??:lol: you just gave me a much needed laugh.

    And I would so pick Millers over ariats or TS anyday (I guess even though I have been showing hunters half my life, I am not a hunter princess. *sigh)

    • #136

    ah yes warmup/schooling is comparable to driving on the autobahn im sure :lol:

    #137

    [QUOTE=dogchushu;3099799]
    Things I’ve learned from COTH:

    [LIST=1]

  • If your horse has seen more needles than Amy Winehouse... you might be a hunter princess
  • If you can't see a spot to save your life, but you can tell Tailored Sportsman from Ariats from (shudder) Miller's at 200 meters… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse spends more time working on his forehand than Roger Fedderer… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse's purchase made a noticeable blip on the GDP of the European country in which you bought him, but you stiff the groom and braider… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you've ever squealed "daddy, you have to send the money--I neeeeeeed a new Buteeeeet", [I]and you're 46 years old[/I]… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your barnmate holds up the ring for 2 hours, so you resolve to hold it up for 2 ½ hours (Who's the real diva here? Bitch doesn't even ride a warmblood!)… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your horse could complete the Indy 500 in the time he spends on the lunge line… you might be a hunter princess. (Bonus points if you squeal "he's so fresh today" when the half dead animal swishes at a fly.)
  • If your tack room is awash in ribbon displays and trophies, but you can't tell a snaffle from a Snapple… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If your preferred "drapery" is not a window treatment... you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you need draw reins, a standing martingale, a double twisted corkscrew bicycle chain Pelham, and a tack nose band just to ride your horse at a trot… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you need your trainer to school your horse in the low hunters, special hunters, hopeful hunters, modified hunters, wanna-be hunters, sometimes hunters, and thinking-about-it hunters before you can ride a course of cross rails (twice around the outside)… you might be a hunter princess.
  • If you watch a beautiful round by a talented young eventer cross over on a marvelous horse (every distance nailed, pace so even they're thinking about using it replace the atomic clock, horse jumps out of its skin and moves like silk) and you sneer "poor dear, didn't her trainer tell her that helmet is soooo last year; we're all wearing the Charles-GP-Owens-A Platinum 5 now"… you might be a hunter princess.[/LIST]

    This story is based on recent events and has been exaggerated, modified, and blatantly fabricated for dramatic effect. Any resemblance to persons alive, dead, undead, unborn, preborn, amateur, pro, or shamateur is purely coincidental. No horses were harmed in the making of this post (at least no warmbloods, we don’t care about lesser horses). Your mileage may vary. Past performance cannot guarantee future results. Professional driver on a closed course.[/QUOTE]

    ROFL!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    • #138

    [QUOTE=CBoylen;3099826]
    Not to pick on you personally, RideTX, but I wanted to respond to your quote because I read almost the same words a lot online about the eq division. Maybe in your case there were politics involved or maybe not. But I think a lot of people place way too much emphasis on the position in the eq, and it can lead to this perception of politics. Your rider with the less than perfect posture could very possibly have had the best course, and that far outweighed any position flaws. It’s mostly about the actual ride, even if the division IS equitation. A flawed position is going to beat a flawed course almost every time, because the riders are not being judged on still pictures, they’re being judged on how they are influencing their horse. When the judge has rounds to choose between that are in the same score range, then they can place more emphasis on posture. But when the girl with the leg that slides back finds the jumps, and the others make mistakes, then she’s going to win.
    Again, I just used your post to make a point, because it seems online you run across a lot of “it must be politics, my leg/release/hands/seat looks MUCH better than Miss Equitation Star 2008’s”, but very few people stop to wonder if their ROUNDS look better than the rider’s whose picture they’re picking apart.[/QUOTE]

    I AGREEEE!!! the other day, my trainer basically summarized this to me in a very amusing fashion:

    “Sarah, stop worry so much about the exact location of your hands at all times. Let me tell you! If you can clock around an eq course, and put it together nicely, it doesnt matter if you look like a monkey on a football. You’ll pin, or maybe even win. …Well, maybe not a monkey on a football, you obviously know you have to have some decent form, but that’s not EVERYTHING.”

    :yes: it’s all about how EFFECTIVE your eq is!

    #139

    [QUOTE=Guyot;3099958]
    I can’t help but post to this thread…though I might regret it :winkgrin:

    As a competitor that happens to event (used to do the h/j as a kid) I don’t think I bash the hj but for me personally, I find the hj warm-ups scarier then x-c… I’ve tried to use the very accessable hj shows to prep for my stadium, cause I could have multiple rounds to school. But I must say the warmups are so intimidating, jumps that are not flagged with about 50-70 riders using the warm up :eek::yes: and if BNT takes over one of the jumps…no one else can use???:no: and I wasn’t the only one told I couldn’t “use” that fence…

    The other thing I personally don’t like is the class is open, and I’ll do my round cause no one else wants to go, which is fine, but then I wait for 30minutes or more till the next rider goes… what is up with that, don’t want to sit on my horse for hours, sorry! class opens at 9am…that’s when you get there, why is this hard :confused:

    I work very hard to try to make my jumping rounds as smooth as a hunter round, but call me crazy, I don’t do the hj stuff because I can’t stand the lack of organization. This to me isn’t a bash on the people who are hj, more a lack of convience that I find tough to work around. This is a personality difference in humans. People who are control freaks like me :winkgrin:, want organization and structure, therefore I event because that sport allows me that aspect of my personality.

    I think the hj world gets picked on because it so openly allows what onlookers might call “cheating” Flame suit on!! Sorry, but that is a perception that others have. In eventing or dressage, a competitor cannot have anyone ride their horse at a show, at all. And most eventers at least, do most or all the riding themselves, few horses are always in training with a perfessional. You also cannot buy or lease a horse that has been qualified for nationals by one person and have someone else ride it on the other persons ability. I think this opens up the perception that the sport is about who has the most $$. Is this fair to all those that don’t do this, no. But like someone else had mentioned, we all have aspects in our sport that perhaps need to be looked at closer and perhaps changed.

    That all said, there are aspects of eventing that I don’t like either, but that’s a whole other thread!! :lol:[/QUOTE]

    Sounds like your show wasent managed great
    (I too btw hate the warmups)…

    And how is it cheating if you have a professional ride your horse? Its not like its your name entered in the class. Sometimes green horses need a pro to ride them at a show to do the best they can

    #140

    I concur that the inter-disciplinary bashing goes for ALL riding disciplines. I had a WP rider tell me it was ‘unnatural’ to jump my horse while she is on her poor navicular QH going around yanking its face off to make it slower…cuz that’s ‘natural’! My horse free jumps if you turn him loose on his own in the arena, I doubt your horse wants to trot like that.

    The barn I’m at now has H/J, eventing, and dressage riders. It is practically a killing ground. Snobby DQs won’t let anyone set any jumps in the indoor AT ALL EVER since its the “dressage ring” (cuz they threw up some lame letters on the rail). Eventers are constantly shortening the distances of the lines in the outdoor and not telling anyone else so people try and kill themselves getting down the lines too easy. H/J crowd only sets courses that cater to them…i.e. a hunter course with maybe a possible bending line…no grids or in-n-outs, no tight turn options, no scary roll-tops or coups.
    The list of grievances goes on and on and on…

    As a h/j rider who likes to venture into other disciplines, I just can’t take anymore. I have shown successfully in hunters, jumpers, and equitation at the A shows on a gasp thoroughbred. I have also been to a hunter pace or two and thoroughly enjoyed myself. I have ridden First Level dressage at some schooling shows and gotten scores in the mid-sixties. I take my horse trail riding in the mountains and to the lake. I see NO REASON to ever bash anyone of a different discipline, especially when you haven’t tried it out for yourself.

    To all you H/J riders that talk smack about other disciplines, maybe go sit in their saddles for a while first. Your fancy-pants hunter might not slam on the breaks at some different colored flowers if you would school over some scary looking xc jumps, and your eq. horse might listen to that test in the work off a little better if you schooled some dressage, and your high-strung jumper that has to be lead from the barn to the ring could surely benefit from some long walks out on the trails.

    Whew!! Glad to get all that off my chest…:slight_smile:

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