Auditing
How do you apply to audit?
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How do you apply to audit?[/QUOTE]
:lol:
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How do you apply to audit?[/QUOTE]
I submitted the cat vs roomba video. Pretty sure I’m a shoe-in.
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I submitted the cat vs roomba video. Pretty sure I’m a shoe-in.[/QUOTE]
Is there travel compensation? For auditing, I mean. I have many videos I could submit:p , but I won’t waste my time if there’s no benefit beyond possibly learning something.
Ok, as one with NO dog in this, and no desire to drive that far to even audit, I’ll bite:
[QUOTE=ksamuels;7169895]
Here’s the deal. If you have a legitimate concern or question regarding the clinic, use your brain and take it up with somebody who can give you an answer. This would be either a) the clinic organizer who has her email listed openly in the previously referenced EN article or b) Me, who wrote the EN article. [/QUOTE]
the way I read the thread, posters ARE trying to take it up with the clinic organizer, the OP of this very thread. Pretty sure I was using my brain in deducing that? I didn’t think my reading comprehension was THAT off?
i didn’t see any personal attacks? Just a few reactions to the perceived tone of a few posts. Kinda like the tone I perceived from your post. Although I think you meant every word of it. And that’s a shame.
Where were his credentials ever in question, truly?
i post my real name, every time. Thanks. And I’d love to host the same type of clinics. Alas, as of right now we simply don’t have the facilities.
[QUOTE=ksamuels;7169895]TThank you to all of you above me who have responded to the irrational and inconsequential rabble rousing of others with intelligence and respect. You know who you are.
If you feel at all inclined to dislike me for my cut and dry reaction to this absurd bellyaching, feel free. You know where to find me if you’d like to tell me to my face, but once again that means you have to reveal your true identity. [/QUOTE]
cut and dry? I’d call it rude and uncalled for. The ‘bellyaching’ is nothing more than people wanting simple answers to simple questions, and not able to get them from the one person they should have been able to get that information from. And again, I’m hardly trying to hide my ‘true identity’.
Oh, the irony of that last sentence.
And I’m sorry, I have no cat-and-roomba video to contribute. 
Is this one of those “if you have to ask the price, you can’t afford it” things?
I’m between horses, or otherwise would be considering - and I would personally ballpark it on what a George Morris or a Joe Fargis two day would cost (as some upper end expensive US clinicians I can think of offhand - I’ve cliniced with Phillip, etc. for far less, yay eventing). This may be correct, but it may not, and you might potentially lose great applicants because people assume they cannot afford it. On the flip-side, you may also have great applicants that you accept and that turn you down because of money (costing your selection committee time), or that get accepted and feel bad turning the spot down and so attend a clinic they can’t afford (not your problem, but it feels disingenuous). I understand not being able to confirm the price, but why not say something like “the fee for this clinic will be no less than $xxxx, to be determined based on travel expenses, etc.” I don’t think anyone (reasonable) will get upset over your charging a bit more due to plane ticket costs when they’ve already committed to paying a significant amount for the clinic. And no one will mind if it ends up being less! 
This isn’t cat or roomba, but it made me laugh tonight… http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/learn-the-alphabet-with-expletive-laced-harry-potter-flash-c
The only question I have is where does a beginning intermediate/2* horse go? Not the training/prelim group, nor the 3*/4* group.
Did I miss something? 
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I think one of JER’s point is that we know he is a great rider. But we do not know where he fits as a teacher.[/QUOTE]
I’ve heard he’s a very good clinician.
But you’re correct in that I don’t know much about his style or what he expects.
I must say,I find the bastardization of the phrase “cut and dried” to “cut and dry” quite irritating. 
Most of us seem to be quite distracted (myself included, obviously)leaving this thread a bit ridiculous.
The OP came here pretty much advertising a clinic and that is fine, there are many people who would not have heard of the clinic if not for the OP’s post.
How this deteriorated into nasty, I don’t understand. The questions, though rather pointedly put, were; what is the price, and can you clarify the levels of entry. Reasonable questions that were not uncalled for.
Then, everyone seemed to take offence at once and both the point of the thread,(education) and any useful answers about it (more education) were lost, and that does no one any good whatsoever.
I just don’t get how this clinic/demo is any different from any other. Other than some confusion about what level to enter it looks pretty normal to me. Every day riders can enter their horses in clinics with organizers they don’t know and organizers can take entries from horses and riders that they have never met.
The major difference here is that the clinic is by someone who does not usually give clinics and as it is more of a demo a more experienced rider/horse combo has been requested.
It’s pretty much up to the rider to try and give an accurate description of their abilities entering a certain level at a clinic just as it always is. If a rider shows up and they are overfaced then it’s up to the clinician to move them to a different group or modify the group to fit them.
Personally I think it’s a waste of my money and my valuable keystrokes to complain that they aren’t going to accept BN riders. There are plenty more affordable options out there for me and the educational opportunity to watch the problems and solutions of upper level riders is fantastic. Why not go and audit then decide which group to enter the next time he comes around?
Yes… And questioning the integrity and competence of the organizer did us no good at all.
But at least COTH lived up to her reputation and those outside of the circle have much to chatter and chuckle about. Heard some of this last night. <sigh> I played dumb and had my usual puzzled look, “COTH, what is COTH? An upper respiratory symptom?”
True to her reputation, she cothed up another hair ball…
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True to her reputation, she cothed up another hair ball…[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol:
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But, Eventer 55,
They are familiar, wonderful event gods. WFP is bright and shiny new to us- which gives him the excitement factor…:winkgrin:
So, is the clinic going to be streamed to Yellow Britches for her color commentary?
Will she be on site for interviews? Inquiring minds want to know all the details:)[/QUOTE]
Well, after all this BS and Meow mix his plane better land with a squadron of angels singing and gently playing their harps surrounded by a soft glowing light. . . . and what the heck is a cat and Roomba???
I’m so glad I don’t qualify, I didn’t qualify for the Thoroughbred makeover and I certainly wouldn’t qualify for this. I’ll keep up by reading this highly entertaining thread.
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Well, after all this BS and Meow mix his plane better land with a squadron of angels singing and gently playing their harps surrounded by a soft glowing light. . . . and what the heck is a cat and Roomba???
I’m so glad I don’t qualify, I didn’t qualify for the Thoroughbred makeover and I certainly wouldn’t qualify for this. I’ll keep up by reading this highly entertaining thread.[/QUOTE]
bahaha! You must come audit! A good time shall be had by all and maybe we can put our heads together to figure out the identities of the Roomba riders!
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bahaha! You must come audit! A good time shall be had by all and maybe we can put our heads together to figure out the identities of the Roomba riders![/QUOTE]
Actually, I am free those days, I may go. I’ll supply the little friskies (I hate meow mix.) Really, I have to behave. . . I ride there and truly it’s a wonderful place with totally professional people, I hope the clinic is a smashing success.
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I’m not saying he can’t teach a BN/N rider or doesn’t want to - more that it’s kinda silly since his skills are so far above a BN/N rider. Like it’s silly to pay to ride with a Grand Prix dressage rider if you don’t know your canter leads, you know?[/QUOTE]
While I understand what you are saying and everyone has their own right to teach what they want, when, but if Phillip Dutton has the capability to teach BN, then so does William Fox-Pitt.
What he decides to teach with his time constraints is his business, but I have cliniced with Dutton as a BN/N rider and feel I got as much out of that clinic as I would have if I had been Prelim or higher. I received different instruction and information, according to my skill set at the time, but still well worth the $100 I paid. I would feel the same way auditing a clinic. While watching upper level riders is educational, watching another Novice rider with similar issues is much more immediately useful to me.
Stating again - with his time constraints and what he wants to do is fine. I am not saying he should teach lower level riders, just that his Olympic/4* experience does not automatically preclude him from teaching lower level riders.
Did he not actually spend some time instructing Madonna, years ago? :winkgrin:
I expect that “money was no object” for that student…
I just sent an e-mail to the organizer, I am planning to audit both days. It would be wonderful fun (and very interesting) to meet some COTHers there! Maybe we should wear nametags with our COTH screennames on them. At least those of us who wish to be “outed” as our COTH personas! 
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There are some great riders who are lousy teachers.
There are some great riders who are great teachers at all levels.
There are some great riders who are great teaching, for instance, upeer levels, but lousy teaching lower levels.
There are some great riders who COULD teach all levels, but do not enjoy teaching lower levels.
Similarly, there are some not-so-great riders who are (the same options)
It is good when a rider RECOGNIZES which category he/she is in, and does not try to be all things to all people.
I think one of JER’s point is that we know he is a great rider. But we do not know where he fits as a teacher.[/QUOTE]
This is something we should all print-out and review before signing up for a clinic.
Some people should never teach children, adult re- riders or riders below a specific skill set. They just do not have the temperament, patience and/or skill sets to communicate effectively.
Some people should never teach others at a specific level and above for the same reasons listed below.
I prefer an instructor/clinician state this up front instead of taking on a group or students they don’t really want or need to work with. That ends up been a waste of time for all and based on past threads causing ongoing problems for horse and/or riders.
Wish I were closer as this would be a fun clinic to audit.
