Thanks for that interesting answer.
Now I am wondering if she always slept in the barn or was it only recent behavior? If it was recent, it would seem that either the horse had a health issue and she needed to stay close, or she perceived a threat to the horse. Did you see her sleeping there when you were in the barn at night?
Take care, you are still healing. Try not to stay up all night like the rest of us on here.
âThere will always be much more behind what happens than is initially obvious.â
One of my favorite lines from Beetlejuice: âThis place just keeps getting weirder and weirder.â
To be fair, I donât think anyone has outright said âitâs ok for MB to open fire at close range and murder or attempt to murder a studentâ or anyone for that matter.
No insults to America or political matters are necessary.
I donât know, if I had a home in NC and otherwise liked it there, Iâd stay there. Especially if the person that invited me to NJ had a certain negative reputation or behaviors as you say. I donât care if they beg. But, again, details that Iâm simply not privy to.
I think that the whole situation just seems irrational, from all sides, to many of us, so the questions are not meant to be an attack or a justification for you being shot, but an attempt at understanding what exactly went on in this CF. Maybe weâll know one day, maybe not.
I think people say itâs âtellingâ that youâd consult an attorney immediately upon notice of being evicted. Itâs telling because most people would leave and wouldnât stay where they are not wanted. Why contact an attorney? Now if he actually doesnât own the property as you say, then that can change things. But I donât know what written agreements, if any, were signedâŠOr how landlord/tenant/property owner laws operate in the state of NJ.
During such a crazy event, it is best to ignore and abstain from social media. Itâs so hard to do that! but could be better for you legally and mentally in the long run. But, thatâs your choice, of course.
Where did the 6th horse come from? 4 were at MBâs one at the QT facility, so when did horse #6 come into the picture?
Yes I agree, so much more to this story!!!
Legal question re: the recordings in this situation â what constitutes a âcommon areaâ on a private property? I have been to barns with cameras, but the cameras were installed by the owner, and there were notices posted. Could a boarder/tenant install cameras, say, in the indoor arena and aisles legally? If so, that is remarkable.
So the barn was condemned and you wonât have your horses in a fire hazard.
So when you were told to sleep with one eye open and multiple people offered to move your horses for you, why didnât you leave?
We all saw your fb posts and the comments, so no need to pretend you had no offers to get your horses out immediately, and we all saw you turn those offers down. Practically the entire universe has the screenshots.
We literally saw MULTIPLE people offer to move your horses for you in the comments to your fb posts. You turned them down.
Problem is, SHE says he owes her 50k.
Whoâs math is that, and how legit is that claim?
As someone pointed out, she and her companion lived there, she had 4-6 horses there in training⊠but somehow MB owes her money?
In all my 40 years in horses, there arenât any instances of that many horses in training on top of living on the farm that = the horse owner being owed any money. Not legitimately.
New Jersey is a âone-party consentâ state, meaning that under the New Jersey Wiretapping and Electronic Surveillance Act, itâs illegal to record a private, in-person or telephone conversation unless one party consents.
(SO ANY BARN CONVERSATION WOULD REQUIRE KNOWLEDGE OF ONE PARTY)
This means that if you are a party to the conversation yourself, you can record it without telling the other person or people involved. But without the consent of at least one of the people involved, itâs illegal to record it and to distribute or use the audio recording. Anyone who violates these parts of the Wiretapping Act is guilty of a third degree felony and may also find themselves sued for money damages and legal fees.
Our courts, though, have held that where the parties to the conversation did not have a âreasonable expectation of privacy,â it may be recorded without breaking the law. So one court decision found that a conversation between two police officers during a traffic stop alongside a highway could be recorded without their permission, because they were talking in a place âmore akin to an open, accessible place than an enclosed, indoor room.â Another example is making an audio and video recording of a public meeting.
You should know that the Wiretapping Act does not apply to videos or photos. Generally, itâs legal to videotape or photograph people while they appear in public areas. But both New Jersey and federal law make it a crime to videotape or photograph a third party who is nude or engaging in sexual activity, without their consent, in a place in which he or she enjoys a reasonable expectation of privacy, such as a home, a bathroom stall, or a gym locker-room. A violation of this federal law, the Video Voyeurism Prevention Act of 2004, is punishable by fine and imprisonment. Under the New Jersey version of the law, a person whose privacy was invaded can sue for money damages.
The videotaping or photographing of a person can result in civil liability for a wanton photographer. For example, someone who believes that their privacy has been infringed because of anotherâs photograph or taping, may sue the photographer for âintrusion or public disclosure of private facts.â Both types of claims involve analysis of whether the person being recorded had a âreasonable expectation of privacy.â Intrusion happens when someone physically invades the privacy of another in a way that would be offensive to a reasonable person, such as using a telegraphic lens to photograph someone in their bedroom. Public disclosure of private facts happens when the âintruderâ learns of facts that are both private and offensive and circulates them to the public.
You should only use your cellphone or other device when the person youâre recording is in a public place and have no expectation of privacy. Likewise, when recording the audio of a conversation, you should make sure that at least one party to the conversation consents. Moving forward, people should be aware of a bill currently before the New Jersey Assembly Judiciary Committee that, if passed, would change the Wiretapping Act to require all parties in a conversation to consent to its recording, effectively changing New Jersey from a âone-party consent stateâ to an âall-party consent state.â
NOTE BY KNIGHTS MOM: THERE ARE CURRENTLY 11 ALL PARTY CONSENT STATES
With the collaboration of Connor Turpan, Rutgers School of Law Newark candidate for a JD degree in May 2016 and Associate Editor on the Rutgers Computer and Technology Law Journal
Need is an interesting word to use.
No one needs those things, and if things are so horrible, you felt you were in danger such that you should have cameras all over the place (those would take time to install, after all suggesting they were in place well before the last few weeks when things supposedly fell apart) and you are so well off⊠well, you can board horses at 6 different locations if need be. Itâs not like you waitress 3 shifts a day to pay for it, so find places for them to go and schlepp your butt to each place each day for your lessons if youâre still pursuing learning to ride.
That is a ridiculous answer that negates the claim you make about the danger you suggest MB posed.
the video is one thing but voice is another, this posterâs claims to have recorded the conversations without being a party of the conversationsâŠthat falls into wire tapping without consent of at least one party.
I have come to the conclusion that I should never ever had bought a horse if the events at the physio farm are anywhere never half way as stated
What is this farmâs name Down the Rabbit Hole Stables?
LK, when do you expect to be medically cleared to ride again?
Are your horses in work now?
This is post 1970, page 99.
I am waiting for the next Full Moon on the 14th as it will be a Full Harvest Moon
Then this thread should take some more leaps into the unknown
but my attorneys prefer I say little as possible.
evidently they forgot to mention typing
three cases ongoing concurrently?.. with just five attorneys? ⊠I would have least three agencies with a pile more than five total attorneys representing my interests if I was wrapped into three different legal confrontations
I would never found time to ride while I just kept up with the legation
edited to add turns out I am in three ongoing law suits, they are all class actions suitsâŠso I might have a whole bunch of attorneys working for my benefit that do not even know
interesting suggestion you make, that RC gave MB permission (you use âallowâ in all caps) to use (but didnât physically give him) the gun knowing his intent was to murder.
Did RC literally give, i.e. hand, him the gun, or was it in her digs in the basement**⊠and MB retrieved it himself toâŠ
** my assumption is that RC had a âhomeâ in the basement like itâs been suggested the other grooms did⊠she left that âhomeâ and took up sleeping in the barn because the basement living quarters were condemned per fire Marshall⊠or she knew certain parties were being ridiculous being in the barn all hours and meant to keep her own horse safe from them or any fracas they might perpetuate⊠or, again, a myriad if other scenarios.
As I understand the story, from LKs perspective:
There was other talk, from someone else that MB needed money, LK loaned it to him, but he paid it off when the insurance check came in. The LK said he didnât pay it. And then she said the insurance check came in, but it either came after he shot her or he has the money but refused to pay her. But then she said he couldnât pay her, because he didnât have the money.
Iâm seriously confusedâŠ
ETA: the reason she installed the recording devices is because she feared for her life. She had time, resources, and opportunity to install them. She also stated this whole fiasco blew up quickly and she didnât have time to react (leave) before MB shot her.
Itâs the audio/vidoe that confuses me the most. Why?
Thatâs went grifters do. Money grubbers. They live by scamming others. She says she videos and recorded everybody in that facility. People donât do that unless theyâre up to no good.
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