Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[Maude]

@CanteringCarrot

This question won’t be directly answered for a variety of reasons.

I’m not sure what outcome LK expected out of staying in this situation.

The attention she so desperately craves.

[Knights_Mom]

@Core6430

As I understand the story, from LKs perspective:

• She loaned MB at least $50k.
• The barn and portion of the house are condemned.
• She felt uncomfortable enough to install recording devices around the barn area (was it secretly? Or did barn owner know?). Not just video, but capturing audio too (audio important)
• MB was mean, harrassing, and antagonized her until she felt unsafe.
• She posted public FB posts about being scared for her life and allude to it being MB (tall guy).
• MH was mean, harrassing, and wanted her gone.
• MB called 911 to harrass her.
• RC(?) also wanted her gone. RC supplied MB with the gun.
• MH supplied MB with the gun.
• She couldn't move the horses, because she didn't have a trailer.
• Then after people offered to move the horses for her, she couldn't move the horses because an ideal location where she could train with a top trainer and board all 6 horses together didn't materialize.
• She couldn't move herself, because she didn't move her horses.
• she was minding her own business on her porch (reading) when MB lured her off and shot her.
• She said MB couldn't pay her back when it was due, and that's why he shot her, but she didn't care if he needed longer to pay her back.
• She said MB shot her because MH wanted the house to herself.

I'm having trouble finding a cohesive stream of facts from LK in this thread.

There was other talk, from someone else that MB needed money, LK loaned it to him, but he paid it off when the insurance check came in. The LK said he didn’t pay it. And then she said the insurance check came in, but it either came after he shot her or he has the money but refused to pay her. But then she said he couldn’t pay her, because he didn’t have the money.

I’m seriously confused…

ETA: the reason she installed the recording devices is because she feared for her life. She had time, resources, and opportunity to install them. She also stated this whole fiasco blew up quickly and she didn’t have time to react (leave) before MB shot her.

It’s the audio/vidoe that confuses me the most. Why?

Truth is easy to keep track of. The further something strays from truth the bumpier the storyline’s consistency is.

[Daventry]

For those that think La-LaPopRider cannot possible be the real Lauren Kanarek and is most likely Susan Wachowich, you would be incorrect. The email address laurenkana****@gmail.com is the email address associated with the COTH username La-LaPopRider. When you do a Google or Facebook search for this same email address, it brings up old ads that Lauren Kanarek posted looking for a groom. So unless someone hacked her email and COTH account, La-LaPopRider is telling the truth. She really is Lauren Kanarek.If her gmail account did get hacked, hopefully she will see this thread and get the COTH account shut down.

Carry on!

[Knights_Mom]

@Angela Freda

interesting suggestion you make, that RC gave MB permission (you use “allow” in all caps) to use (but didn’t physically give him) the gun knowing his intent was to murder.

Did RC literally give, i.e. hand, him the gun, or was it in her digs in the basement**… and MB retrieved it himself to…

• get it out of the house where LK and boyfriend had access to it
• move it to a more secure location where no one would have access to it, incl RC
• myriad of other scenarios

** my assumption is that RC had a “home” in the basement like it’s been suggested the other grooms did… she left that “home” and took up sleeping in the barn because the basement living quarters were condemned per fire Marshall… or she knew certain parties were being ridiculous being in the barn all hours and meant to keep her own horse safe from them or any fracas they might perpetuate… or, again, a myriad if other scenarios.

You sleep in front of your horse’s stall when you want to keep an eye on him - in illness or from harm. If you’re just looking for a place to sleep, you pick the tack room which is free from flies or animals and climate controlled.

[mishmash]

@AnotherRound

Between that, and her admission to bugging the barn and recording everyone who went into it, admitting that she wished Barisone had actually started eviction proceedings (instead of shooting her) (which admits, in my mind he had reason to evict her, want her gone), and how she didn’t leave when he had asked her to leave, and apparently when the fire department had required her to leave, there’s more going on, on her side than her just sitting on the stoop innocently reading a book and caught unawares.

She did not say she bugged the barn. She said there were recordings. I have boarded at a barn with both video and audio security before, it is done. I still say people are watching way too many TV shows. Not real life. MB’s words on the 911 calls are threatening. Not defending anyone’s behavior, but am continually horrified how hard everyone is working to justify the shooting. And how much false info is being reported on here.

[Angela_Freda]

@Knights Mom

You sleep in front of your horse’s stall when you want to keep an eye on him - in illness or from harm. If you’re just looking for a place to sleep, you pick the tack room which is free from flies or animals and climate controlled.

Yes. But I was assuming that the poster Lalapop… is taking liberties with facts and being vague with details, so “sleeping in the barn” could be literally the barn aisle, or the tack room, an apt in the barn, or a myriad of options … so as to suit whatever tale works best in her favor.

ETA, who exactly said that RC had a mattress outside the stall… going back to review. Send coffee…

[cutter99]

@Knights Mom

You sleep in front of your horse’s stall when you want to keep an eye on him - in illness or from harm. If you’re just looking for a place to sleep, you pick the tack room which is free from flies or animals and climate controlled.

But not only are you sleeping on a mattress in front of your horse’s stall, but you feel compelled to be armed as well?

Let’s face it, Long Valley, NJ is not exactly a bastion of violent crime. My guess would be violent crime in that area is almost non-existent. I would believe there is white collar crime there, but violent crime, especially on a horse farm, not no much.

LaLa, Lauren, whoever this person is, is right about one thing. There is much, much more to this story. I am not so sure she should be eager for that information to come out.

[cutter99]

@mishmash

She did not say she bugged the barn. She said there were recordings. I have boarded at a barn with both video and audio security before, it is done. I still say people are watching way too many TV shows. Not real life. MB’s words on the 911 calls are threatening. Not defending anyone’s behavior, but am continually horrified how hard everyone is working to justify the shooting. And how much false info is being reported on here.

But how do you know that information is false? You have no way of knowing what is conjecture and what is not- from either side- unless you were there!

[Grey623]

Legal question re cameras and recording, I understand some barns have put up, or allow owners to put up, stall cams that allow owners to remotely watch their horses at any time. Do these record audio, and how would that factor in to privacy and legalities if that were the situation here? There may also be general security cameras located around the property. Does being on a camera-ed property imply consent to record personal conversations? It is so easy to forget that Big Brother is everywhere.

[clanter]

@Core6430

As I understand the story, from LKs perspective:

need to add… the black SUV in the middle of the night… which I can not find that claim any longer

it seems several posts by lala have been deleted out completely

[Angela_Freda]

@Grey623

Legal question re cameras and recording, I understand some barns have put up, or allow owners to put up, stall cams that allow owners to remotely watch their horses at any time. Do these record audio, and how would that factor in to privacy and legalities if that were the situation here? There may also be general security cameras located around the property. Does being on a camera-ed property imply consent to record personal conversations? It is so easy to forget that Big Brother is everywhere.

If a barn or farm has security cameras, who’s able to see what they show?
Is it limited to a specific party… or can various people view, i.e. you give password to owners, trainers, staff (in the case of nightwatch or foal watch)… or can it be hacked into and then recorded remotely via that hack?

[Angela_Freda]

@cutter99

But not only are you sleeping on a mattress in front of your horse’s stall, but you feel compelled to be armed as well?

But was she, armed in the barn/where ever the mattress was, or was the gun in the house/grooms quarters?

Let’s face it, Long Valley, NJ is not exactly a bastion of violent crime. My guess would be violent crime in that area is almost non-existent. I would believe there is white collar crime there, but violent crime, especially on a horse farm, not no much.

A news report, using term loosely, said as much, iirc

LaLa, Lauren, whoever this person is, is right about one thing. There is much, much more to this story. I am not so sure she should be eager for that information to come out.

Agreed.

[clanter]

@Angela Freda

If a barn or farm has security cameras, who’s able to see what they show?
Is it limited to a specific party… or can various people view, i.e. you give password to owners, trainers, staff (in the case of nightwatch or foal watch)… or can it be hacked into and then recorded remotely via that hack?

video is handled differently by courts than audio

when I was a professional witness the video had to have a water mark and time date stamp on each frame to be admissible … the water marking is to prove the recording is continuous and untampered

[Kat_Renee]

Wasn’t there a post a while back that stated she had been asked to leave 8 times? I can’t remember if it was on FB or IG but I thought someone saw that statement from LK.

I could be completely wrong - there’s a lot in this thread!

[trafalgar]

I found myself reading this thread last night and was curious to see LK’s FB page. On it, someone alerted her to the fact that she was being impersonated by someone on COTH called LALAPOP RIDER. LK expressed surprise and said she would look into the matter immediately…did not know a thing about it. I did not see that post this morning when I just checked. Unless I missed it, it appears to have been deleted.

[MHM]

@trafalgar

I found myself reading this thread last night and was curious to see LK’s FB page. On it, someone alerted her to the fact that she was being impersonated by someone on COTH called LALAPOP RIDER. LK expressed surprise and said she would look into the matter immediately…did not know a thing about it. I did not see that post this morning when I just checked. Unless I missed it, it appears to have been deleted.

Oh. My. Goodness. Houseguests abound! :lol:

[Mardi]

@La-LaPopRider

. WE WERE NEVER ASKED TO LEAVE. Not formally. Not informally. Not at all. If we had been, I’d have retained our family lawyer long before.

Interesting. As published by the New York Post on Aug 8, 2019:
"According to her social media posts, Kanarek both rented a home with her fiancé and quartered horses at Hawthorne Farm — an arrangement neighbors and sources said Barisone was seeking to end.

“There was a big red sign in front saying ‘eviction,’”‰” said neighbor Bob Jenkins, 66. “He was trying to get them out.”

[supernatural]

@Daventry

For those that think La-LaPopRider cannot possible be the real Lauren Kanarek and is most likely Susan Wachowich, you would be incorrect. The email address laurenkana****@gmail.com is the email address associated with the COTH username La-LaPopRider. When you do a Google or Facebook search for this same email address, it brings up old ads that Lauren Kanarek posted looking for a groom. So unless someone hacked her email and COTH account, La-LaPopRider is telling the truth. She really is Lauren Kanarek.If her gmail account did get hacked, hopefully she will see this thread and get the COTH account shut down.

Carry on!

This^

[anon68314200]

@Knights Mom

I see that. In reading I see one thing that leaps out at me: when LK says MBs girlfriend wanted them out so she could live in the house.

It’s clear that LK doesn’t realize that SHE DOESN’T OWN THE HOUSE, MB DOES AND HE HAS THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DO WITH THAT HOUSE AS HE PLEASES. LK did not have a right to stay there indefinitely yet is speaking as if she had the right to stay there. That the g/f wanting the house just wasn’t a good enough reason for LK to leave.

If she didn’t think that way, then a statement about the girlfriend wanting the house would never be said.

I was a tenant. The landlord asked me to move so his pregnant daughter could move in. Guess what? I moved. No drama needed. I didn’t say “oh I’m not leaving, I was only asked because the landlords daughter wants to move in”.

Seriously LK, stop posting here. You are making yourself look worse and worse with each statement. You are so deep down the rabbit hole you can’t even see how you look.

Focus on healing.

As far as the notion that LK should “just stop posting and focus on healing,” that is just unfair/unrealistic/messed up. This person is being pilloried by people criticizing her past and insinuating she “should have expected to get the horns if she harasses the bull.” (To summarize the general flow of the conversation here.) You cannot insist that people (not directly involved) have ‘every right’ to speculate and SIMULTANEOUSLY insist that the person under discussion should not participate. I have a better idea. How about the critics on COTH stop and ALLOW her to heal. Otherwise, it is simply the height of hypocrisy to LITERALLY keep kicking a person who is recovering (but still down,) and INSIST that they just sit there and take it.

[eggbutt]

I’m glad there is no way for me to be called to sit on the jury. My primary question would still remain, why stay and why continue harassing MB with SS/CPS reports? No rational person would remain in such an intense situation.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but probably not have happened if LK and RG had simply moved on.

Wasn’t it RG who did the shoddy work on the house and barn? It’s odd that a BNT has time to do renovations themselves. With an experienced bathroom renovator on the property, it sure makes sense it was RG doing the work. (RG used to work for a bath/kitchen renovator in NC.) That also explains how the recording equipment got installed.