Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[trubandloki]

@meupatdoes

and she still spends a significant amount of her time complaining about me to family members, telling whatever lies, and getting them to call me and tell me how sad she is that we can’t have a better relationship.

That sounds exactly like my mother. Wow. I had never thought of that way before. But that is totally my mother.
(Which I realize is 100% off topic.)

[clanter]

@erinmeri

God, some of you are really vicious. This thread has jumped the shark, and not because LK decided to join. Put yourself in her shoes for a second… regardless of what her posts here or on social media might or might not suggest, the woman just survived death. That is in and of itself super heavy. The ultimate most heavy thing. For anyone. I think we can all agree on that. Right?

Then she finds this thread of largely anonymous people, many of whom are apparently frothing at the bit to find a reason she should have almost died?y.

I can not even think/envision about being “in her shoes for a second” as it appears this whole event is from another universe.

Why am I following this thread? I just want to learn the danger signs to keep my butt out of such messes. I thought I knew how to read people but this is really something I suspect most all who have posted on this thread have never encounter.

She is very fortunate to have had great EMS tech service and be taken to hospital that had a level 1 trauma emergency room without having to be flown to some distance trauma unit

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[mswillie]

@BigMama1

Count me in as one of those who don’t buy “temporary insanity” as a defense here. No matter how BSC the victim may have been, there is NO defense for shooting her. By all accounts he brought the gun with him, which shows intent. Which is likely why the charges are attempted murder and not manslaughter or assault with a deadly weapon. I really don’t think “she was mean to me and my girlfriend” is going to hold much weight with a judge as an excuse for shooting someone.

If he actually did bring the gun with him then I agree with you, however I think far more than “she was mean to my girlfriend” was going on. However, I’m not convinced he did bring that gun with him, or if so why? IIRC LK did post on her facebook page that she had weapons and wasn’t afraid to use them. Frankly the story we’re getting from LK is so disjointed and inconsistent that it’s not even close to being believable and we’ve heard nothing from the defense.

[caffeinated]

@mswillie

Frankly the story we’re getting from LK is so disjointed and inconsistent that it’s not even close to being believable and we’ve heard nothing from the defense.

As it should be.

I just hope LK, for her own health and well being, does her best to stop posting about it, here and on FB/insta. It’s just best for all parties for these things to be kept to the legal proceedings and not made into a deranged internet reality show, as much as we all enjoy watching the train wreck.

[mswillie]

@caffeinated

As it should be.

I just hope LK, for her own health and well being, does her best to stop posting about it, here and on FB/insta. It’s just best for all parties for these things to be kept to the legal proceedings and not made into a deranged internet reality show, as much as we all enjoy watching the train wreck.

Agreed.

[Angela_Freda]

@staceyk

I also feel like this thread has taken an off-ramp (into dressage scores, which is almost comic relief). I personally have posted, and here is what I just can’t get past: A successful professional, with a family, no record, living on his own property, felt such helplessness and threat level that he made that 911 call, BEGGING for help. This property is his HOME. He was living in the BARN. Think stalking on steroids, b/c the stalker is ALWAYS there, and I suspect, in your face. They can leave but won’t. You can’t leave. I can imagine that at a visceral level.

I’m sick that anyone got shot and so badly hurt, I’m not excusing or justifying the outcome – but it was foreseeable.

Add in that he may or may not have been in financial straits [whether temporary of longterm]… the stress level must have been very high if all of most of these ‘points’ were occurring.

It’s not a license to shoot someone, but it certainly explains the powder keg that perhaps all involved created or stoked.

Re those who can see how stressful having someone like it seems LK may be/have been in their lives:
I believe maybe the ability to understand how very distressing and mind bending having someone like this poking at you all the time can be is something those of us who have dealt with manipulative, gaslighting, narcissistic …. PIA’es are more able to do. Maybe not to the point of shooting that person [I doubt there are any here who have done that] but just how much it messes with your mind and can lead you to distraction and mistakes.

[Angela_Freda]

@mswillie

If he actually did bring the gun with him then I agree with you, however I think far more than “she was mean to my girlfriend” was going on. However, I’m not convinced he did bring that gun with him, or if so why? IIRC LK did post on her facebook page that she had weapons and wasn’t afraid to use them. Frankly the story we’re getting from LK is so disjointed and inconsistent that it’s not even close to being believable and we’ve heard nothing from the defense.

This is something I have wondered as well.
How RC’s gun [if it is RC’s] came to be in MBs hand.

There are a myriad of ways that could have come about… did RC tell him 'Oh, hey, my gun is still in my room in the house.", and MB went to remove it so it could not be used by LK/RG against him?
Did RC give it to MB to wear to protect himself as he went about his business on the farm?
I can think of many scenarios that lead to it being on his person while he has that conversation with LK [per her accounting of the events- so another grain of salt there ] that both don’t and do involve his having the intention of using it as self defense and as an offense.

That’s not me making excuses for MB, I only know of the guy rather than actually know him… and I don’t know LK/RG any better at this point… that’s me understanding that things often aren’t as they appear and if you turn them on their heads, there is a whole trove of possibilities.

[2centsworth]

@BigMama1

I have a close family member who is a malignant narcissist. After a particularly tiresome evening of being harassed by her non-stop I simply blocked her from my phone and social media accounts. 3 years later, that is the thing she is still upset about, not whatever infraction I had supposedly committed to get her upset in the first place. Narcissists and bullies need a reaction, need drama to fuel them. When they don’t get that reaction they honestly don’t know how to cope.

Side note - I still have no contact with her and my life has never been more peaceful, while she is still causing turmoil to everyone else during vacations and family gatherings. They all put up with it, so they will continue to have to deal with it.

OMG!!! This is the exact reason a former fellow boarder has such an issue with me. She needs to be the center of attention at all times, and I refuse to allow that. I just want to ride my horse!! I have been nothing but friendly and polite, but refuse to allow her drama and machinations to ruin my barn time. After a while she actually left, and the barn is now haven again. I think that’s the best way to deal with these kinds of people, do not engage, use a plethora of platitudes in response to their BS stories without asking questions, and just adopt an air of un-approachability. Don’t be fertile ground for their drama seeds.

[BigMama1]

@meupatdoes

Yep. Nothing makes my mother more crazy than no reaction.

She’s a minimum of seven hours away and I do not engage with her in any way, and she still spends a significant amount of her time complaining about me to family members, telling whatever lies, and getting them to call me and tell me how sad she is that we can’t have a better relationship.

OMG my sister does this too. She has tried numerous times to get my other sisters and my mother to convince me she wants to “repair the relationship.” In fact the only person I never hear it from directly is her.

I fell for it the first couple of times, and did try reaching out last year to see if my daughters could see my neice for her 16th birthday…the list of conditions attached mostly involved me apologizing for and taking responsibility for pretty much everything that’s gone wrong in my sister’s life. It quickly became clear she didn’t want a relationship, she just wanted to be right.

[eggbutt]

What the past 30 pages of this thread point out is reasonable doubt regarding intention.

[Denali6298]

@eggbutt

What the past 30 pages of this thread point out is reasonable doubt regarding intention.

Huh?

[Maude]

@mswillie

If he actually did bring the gun with him then I agree with you, however I think far more than “she was mean to my girlfriend” was going on. However, I’m not convinced he did bring that gun with him, or if so why? IIRC LK did post on her facebook page that she had weapons and wasn’t afraid to use them. Frankly the story we’re getting from LK is so disjointed and inconsistent that it’s not even close to being believable and we’ve heard nothing from the defense.

The defense is smart. LK is not. I believe he brought the gun to the confrontation because he feared her her having a weapon. I don’t think he brought it planning to use it unless he had to in self defense. Based on her posts and her threats and her history I would believe that’s the case. I also think she had a bigger issue with his girlfriend. I think it was a jealousy evidence by her past history and behaviors.

[Sparrowette]

NJ Legal Peeps – What does NJ law have to say about mitigating circumstances in these sorts of situations?

[eggbutt]

@Denali6298

Huh?

Reasonable doubt regarding his intentions when he went to his own home. There is absolutely no way I believe he went with the intention of killing either RG or LK.

I will tell you this, if someone ever caused Child Protective Services to come to my home with false allegations of abuse toward any child in my home, I would go completely ballistic. Considering it was SafeSport (reportedly) who notified CPS based on LK’s allegations, it certainly paints a very reasonable emotional reaction on his part.

[RainWeasley]

The thing that concerns me is, if this is in fact just a result of her behavior and this has been a repeating pattern…then she really needs to learn from it. Because if she doesn’t learn a really good lesson from this, she might try to push someone again, and the next time she might not survive it.

[OntheFence]

LK’s FB bio, “Mad, bad & dangerous to know” kind of says it all.

[eggbutt]

@RainWeasley

The thing that concerns me is, if this is in fact just a result of her behavior and this has been a repeating pattern…then she really needs to learn from it. Because if she doesn’t learn a really good lesson from this, she might try to push someone again, and the next time she might not survive it.

Exactly. And since she is STILL bashing MH on her social media pages (threatening the release of some videos???) and all her hateful hashtags toward MH, she has learned nothing. There’s no reason she should. Her narcissism is being fed and she is the center of attention with people who don’t know her, fawning all over every lie she spews. She is the innocent victim and playing the part to the nth degree.

[MorganSercu]

@eggbutt

Considering it was SafeSport (reportedly) who notified CPS based on LK’s allegations, it certainly paints a very reasonable emotional reaction on his part.

If that is the case, then it is yet another reason why I distrust SafeSport and the people who are in charge of implementing the policies.

Particularly in light of LSK’s past legal charges and things she has written through the years.

[eggbutt]

@MorganSercu

If that is the case, then it is yet another reason why I distrust SafeSport and the people who are in charge of implementing the policies.

Particularly in light of LSK’s past legal charges and things she has written through the years.

Apparently, SS is to protect minors only.

[Pennywell_Bay]

@Sparrowette

NJ Legal Peeps – What does NJ law have to say about mitigating circumstances in these sorts of situations?

http://www.newjersey-legal-guide.com…f-Defense.html
https://www.lslawyers.com/self-defense.html

lots could go against the victim, excluding the defendant has a duty to retreat.