Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[ThistleDewDressage]

This is what leads me to assume there is video evidence or a confession.

@MyssMyst

I think people think that results on any tests that were done come back as fast as they do on TV. Cops/crime scene techs don’t process the evidence except in very rare jurisdictions. Their job is to gather it, make sure it’s packaged correctly, and get it off to the lab. The same piece of evidence may pass through multiple sections of the lab (prints, ballistics, etc). None of it comes back the next day. Analysis of gathered evidence could easily take months.

[Palm_Beach]

@Finzean

Palm Beach - I totally understand what you are saying and maybe just maybe this is as simple as Barisone snapped…but I would bet one lung and part of my liver (what’s left of it) that the details of this situation will come to light and it will easily be Dateline or 48 Hours worthy.

LexinVA has some great info and that’s tip of the iceberg…

Sure, but NONE of it is relevant to whether or not Barisone shot Lauren. They can be juicy gossip for many years before, and might explain why there was escalating conflict, but that does not give him the right to shoot her. You don’t get to shoot your tenants just because you find out they have past criminal records and bad reputations, and they are pushing your buttons.

[Palm_Beach]

@ThistleDewDressage

This is what leads me to assume there is video evidence of a confession.

Ding ding ding we probably have a winner.

[alicen]

Miss Marple? Please feel free …

[fordtraktor]

In my experience, the immediate charges don’t mean much of anything about the investigation. Immediate charges are very common in high-profile cases like this (and can be amended later as the investigation continues). It just means the prosecutors feel they have enough to go before a grand jury. And since it has famously been said that prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich, well…we should all keep in mind we could potentially see plenty more drama around this case as it unfolds.

[fordtraktor]

@Palm Beach

Sure, but NONE of it is relevant to whether or not Barisone shot Lauren. They can be juicy gossip for many years before, and might explain why there was escalating conflict, but that does not give him the right to shoot her. You don’t get to shoot your tenants just because you find out they have past criminal records and bad reputations, and they are pushing your buttons.

I think it is very clear that MB shot Lauren. There are all sorts of things that could have caused that to happen that affect an eventual verdict, though.

[caffeinated]

@fordtraktor

I think it is very clear that MB shot Lauren. There are all sorts of things that could have caused that to happen that affect an eventual verdict, though.

Yeah I don’t think anyone here, even the wildest speculators, think he didn’t actually pull the trigger…

[SarahandSam]

@fordtraktor

I think it is very clear that MB shot Lauren. There are all sorts of things that could have caused that to happen that affect an eventual verdict, though.

As we’re now all off the deep end of rampant speculation, my theory is that she was an accidental victim as he defended himself against 30-50 feral hogs.

[js]

https://www.chronofhorse.com/article…after-shooting

Michael Barisone has been charged with attempted murder and weapons offenses

[TMares]

@js

https://www.chronofhorse.com/article…after-shooting

Michael Barisone has been charged with attempted murder and weapons offenses

That’s a 2 day old article. @LexInVA is right.

[Palm_Beach]

@fordtraktor

I think it is very clear that MB shot Lauren. There are all sorts of things that could have caused that to happen that affect an eventual verdict, though.

Nothing other than self defense justifies a shooting.

But if there are extenuating circumstances that allow me to go to someone’s house with a gun and shoot them, and not go to jail, please elaborate.

[js]

@TMares

That’s a 2 day old article. @LexInVA is right.

It’s still showing on the COTH news feed, I’m not passing judgement or making any claims just provided the link as to what is showing in the news feed.

[furlong47]

@jetsmom

Thats what i was thinking. Unless he is gay. But no straight guy is going to own a pink and black gun.

I know a straight guy whose favorite color is pink and one whose favorite color is purple. I know other straight guys who own and wear pink and purple shirts, among other colors. I’m not sure whether any of them own guns or what color the guns are, although I am certain that at least two of them know how to shoot. Not everybody fits into some neat little stereotype box.

[Claddagh]

@Palm Beach

Nothing other than self defense justifies a shooting.

But if there are extenuating circumstances that allow me to go to someone’s house with a gun and shoot them, and not go to jail, please elaborate.

Please post the site where you got the information that MB brought the gun to the encounter with LK since none of us has apparently seen this info. yet.

[enjoytheride]

@Palm Beach

Nothing other than self defense justifies a shooting.

But if there are extenuating circumstances that allow me to go to someone’s house with a gun and shoot them, and not go to jail, please elaborate.

Did you read what she wrote? There is nothing that says he brought the gun. Many things could have happened that lead to him shooting her.

[Claddagh]

Exactly.

[fordtraktor]

@Palm Beach

Nothing other than self defense justifies a shooting.

But if there are extenuating circumstances that allow me to go to someone’s house with a gun and shoot them, and not go to jail, please elaborate.

There are plenty of circumstances that could. If she got in his face yelling and he pulled out the gun. If he snapped mentally and can be declared incompetent. If he wrestled the gun from her and turned it on her. If some other scenario occurred that drop the charges from murder to negligence or attempted manslaughter. The intent required to prove murder or attempted murder is a highish standard.

Of course, it could be straight up attempted murder too. I don’t see why you think it’s so obvious exactly what happened, when the whole thing looks like a made for TV movie.

And then there is always jury nullification. I’ve seen a few of those in my day, where the jury, in its black box, decides something no one expected based on the facts of the actual shooting, but likely on what happened before.

I didn’t say anything about whether he went to jail – I said it could affect the charges. For some of these he would probably still get jail time, just less.

[Marla_100]

For those of you who aren’t familiar with the charge of Attempted Murder- here’s some info that will enlighten you.

http://www.attorneys.com/homicide/attempted-murder-charges-and-penalties

[Palm_Beach]

@fordtraktor

There are plenty of circumstances that could. If she got in his face yelling and he pulled out the gun.

You can’t shoot people for yelling at you. Plus, in this scenario, he went to her residence WITH A GUN.

If he snapped mentally and can be declared incompetent.

Again, in this scenario, he went to her residence WITH A GUN. Of course he snapped mentally, but this is a man who is running a international level riding and training business. It’s going to be hard for him to have himself declared incompetent.

If he wrestled the gun from her and turned it on her.

Well, that would be self defense. Do you think maybe the crime scene investigation would show evidence of a struggle? Do you think someone who was so afraid of him that she would pick up a gun, would them step outside the house close enough that he could disarm her? How would that explain the unlawful possession charges against him? Makes no sense.

If some other scenario occurred that drop the charges from murder to negligence or attempted manslaughter.

Like what? Using the facts and charges, and a bit of common sense, what do you think happened other than the obvious?

The intent required to prove murder or attempted murder is a highish standard.

Won’t argue will that. But will point out that he went to her residence with a gun and shot her twice.

Of course, it could be straight up attempted murder too. I don’t see why you think it’s so obvious exactly what happened, when the whole thing looks like a made for TV movie.

And then there is always jury nullification. I’ve seen a few of those in my day, where the jury, in its black box, decides something no one expected based on the facts of the actual shooting, but likely on what happened before.

I didn’t say anything about whether he went to jail – I said it could affect the charges. For some of these he would probably still get jail time, just less.

[Sticky_Situation]

Palm Beach, where are you getting all this information that the gun was one that he had acquired illegally and brought with him to the house? Because I haven’t seen that information made public, and it’s far from the only possible scenario that could lead to attempted murder/weapons charges.