Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[smoofox]

@Finzean

Well I am not applauding DH or the vitriolic attacks…wouldn’t wish getting shot on anyone…but for those who aren’t personally acquainted with the victim to assume based on reports that are based primarily on the boyfriend’s statement that this is cut and dry and simple and MB got mad because she wouldn’t leave and shot her…that is over simplifying a lot. You don’t know me from Adam’s off ox, nor I you…do you know the folks involved in this incident? Some of us do…

Where in hell did I assume anything or state that anything is cut and dried and simple? Here - I will save you the tedious effort of scrolling… nowhere. I am not “oversimplifying” anything, thanks. Not by a lot - or even a little.

[mishmash]

@LexInVA

With what we know about her, an illicit relationship would not surprise me, though I see no clear evidence of one, simply circumstances and facts that would allow it to happen, as Lauren’s fiance Roger stayed in NC when she went to NJ to be with Barisone. Given his recent divorce and her obvious attractiveness and likely willingness to do whatever she felt was necessary, it’s certainly possible that she seduced him in some way to get into his confidences and gain his trust/connections for her own use and then used it to blackmail him, then openly threatened him to the point where it backfired, resulting in this incident. Again, just a wild possibility.

Shaking my head. So determined to twist the facts to blame the victim…she seduces him? blackmailed him? Threatened him? You have a great imagination. Victim sounds aa bit unhinged, but that doesn’t make her deserving of being shot.

[Trekkie]

Our current cultural thirst for superficial reality TV complete with gaudy rich pseudo celebrities, high drama for all to see and a reality TV mafioso style President illustrates just how out of touch with “normal” middle class values the world of horse sport has become. We have lost empathy for true victims and understanding of common workplace professional standards of behavior and repercussions. What else could be expected of sports that were once developed and performed by military officers to demonstrate horsemanship and integrity that have now devolved into a frequently pathetic display of obscene wealth and petty influence. The events of the past week or so are indicative of not only a breakdown in the culture of horse sport in this country, but a wider loss of integrity, compassion, humility, ethics and a spread of the notion that money and power rather than honest, hard work and pride in your word are what matters. A sad week for sport and our country in general, indeed.

[Finzean]

I think underestimating the lengths that some people will go to. And I most certainly never said she deserved it…

As for it being a leap for people to question her role in the ultimate outcome of this situation and whether or not she or her boyfriend/fiance set anything up…Jeffrey McDonald, Charles Stuart…and I’m sure others…harmed themselves to send the blame elsewhere.

Some of us were first hand witness to her previous attempts to destroy others. Thank God none of us ever gets what we truly deserve, but if you spend your life playing with fire, it’s no shock that you eventually get burned. Deserve it? Not for me to say…shocked or surprised it happened, no. Even if he did just lose it & head over there to get rid of her once and for all…not surprised…but - I’ll save you the effort of scrolling - nowhere did I say she deserved it.

[Risk-Averse_Rider]

@Finzean

You don’t know me from Adam’s off ox, nor I you…

Thank you for this.

[MHM]

@x-halt-salute

What I am willing to speculate on is what the Dateline NBC episode title will be… Will they straight-up copy the Post’s punny “Unbridled Rage”…?

Oof. I had not noticed that headline. Ouch.

I, too, am wondering why Barisone is still in the hospital three days later. Is it related to his head injury? And could the head injury account for whatever comments he made to the police at the scene? And could his lawyer use that argument in his defense down the road? Time will tell.

[Brown_Derby]

@MHM

I am not that familiar with the game Clue. But I feel like we are definitely approaching that point here. So I will say the farrier in the wash rack with his purple hammer.

Oh, sure. Blame it on the farrier. It’s always the farrier’s fault.

Thank you for the dose of humor. I revisited this thread, hoping to find it all a bad dream. I still feel like I’ve been punched in the gut. Just horrible.

I’m voting Dateline. They did a good job on a local case, where AQHA owner Larry McNabney was killed by his wife with an injection of ace. (Episode “Poison”).

[Palm_Beach]

@x-halt-salute

Do they have 5 years, though? And is attempted murder a “little charge”?

It’s my understanding that the prosecutor has 5 years to file charges for a felony. No SOL on murder. But please correct me if I’m wrong on that. The “little charge” was in reference to the gun charges in the post I quoted. You are taking my quote out of context.

One of the news articles about this case mentioned New Jersey’s Bail Reform and Speedy Trial Act, which went into effect in 2017. From what I read, it seems that act requires that defendants appear before a judge within 48 hours of being jailed (ETA: I’d assume that being in custody in the hospital is similar? Again, too little info here to know for sure what’s going on). It also states that a defendant can only be held in custody for 90 days before an indictment (180 days before trial). It further implements a risk assessment process for release, which, while I’m not a lawyer, suggests to me that reasonable cause to suspect attempted murder (or any other serious violent crime) could very well earn you charges on that count fairly quickly, even if it’s not a perfectly open-and-shut case.

If I shot someone in the chest in the course of an argument, in New Jersey, I would not be at all surprised to be charged with attempted murder within 48 hours, regardless of whether I acted in self-defense or whether I instigated the argument with the intent of committing murder.

I don’t think we can read too much into the timeline, here, given recent criminal justice reform in NJ.

I think we can, because why would a prosecutor blow filing charges too quickly when he or she has 5 years to investigate, and the main suspect is in the hospital? They don’t want the case dismissed or eventually thrown out on some technicality. Whether the reason he shot her is justification for shooting her is for a judge or jury to decide (not the prosecutor). But the prosecutor firmly believes Barisone shot Lauren and believes there is plenty of evidence to prove it.

But I’m also one of the doubting Thomases who doesn’t trust everything that gets reported in the NY Post, or posted on Facebook, or discussed on CotH. I’m going to wait until more detailed and reliable evidence comes to light before I decide that Barisone is a murderous villain or an unlucky schmuck.

I think he is both.

[RainWeasley]

@Finzean

I think underestimating the lengths that some people will go to. And I most certainly never said she deserved it…

As for it being a leap for people to question her role in the ultimate outcome of this situation and whether or not she or her boyfriend/fiance set anything up…Jeffrey McDonald, Charles Stuart…and I’m sure others…harmed themselves to send the blame elsewhere.

Some of us were first hand witness to her previous attempts to destroy others. Thank God none of us ever gets what we truly deserve, but if you spend your life playing with fire, it’s no shock that you eventually get burned. Deserve it? Not for me to say…shocked or surprised it happened, no. Even if he did just lose it & head over there to get rid of her once and for all…not surprised…but - I’ll save you the effort of scrolling - nowhere did I say she deserved it.

I’m actually with you on this. Honestly the whole thing is insane enough already that I don’t think anything like that (it being a set up, the fiance shooting her, etc) would surprise me. I really wouldn’t be surprised if there WAS a farrier that popped out of bushes, shot at everyone, threw the gun at MB then ran away, at this point.

[merrygoround]

On MP’s farm a woman, collector of eviction notices, was shot twice. She calls 911. Police arrive to find her boy friend, he of the active legal history, pinning an injured MB down with the “gun” under him. Michael, not knowing the extent of his own injuries, says " I had a good life", perhaps in pain thinking it may be a departure time.

Since most of the talking comes from those who may be considered unreliable witnesses, I vote we wait til the dust all settles.

[MHM]

@Brown Derby

Oh, sure. Blame it on the farrier. It’s always the farrier’s fault.

Thank you for the dose of humor. I revisited this thread, hoping to find it all a bad dream. I still feel like I’ve been punched in the gut. Just horrible.

I’m voting Dateline. They did a good job on a local case, where AQHA owner Larry McNabney was killed by his wife with an injection of ace. (Episode “Poison”).

Holy cow. Really? When/where did that happen??

ETA: Never mind, I looked it up on Wikipedia. Yowza! :eek:

And you’re welcome.

[Palm_Beach]

@mishmash

Shaking my head. So determined to twist the facts to blame the victim…she seduces him? blackmailed him? Threatened him? You have a great imagination. Victim sounds aa bit unhinged, but that doesn’t make her deserving of being shot.

Agree. According to multiple posters on this thread, she is all kinds of crazy, and may have seduced him and blackmailed him and threatened him, and he came unhinged. But when you are faced with all kinds of crazy, you do have the option of avoidance. Sure, it’s very tough when you let that person move into your property, but it sounds like he was proceeding with an eviction. He went to her residence and confronted her. And took a gun with him.

Even is she is fruitbat crazy, I can’t see her having her fiance shoot her TWICE to frame Barisone. And in the chest, too. You’d have to have pretty good aim to miss something important.

[enjoytheride]

There is nothing that states he took a gun with him. He could have. Or…

It’s possible he attacked her, she pulled her gun in self defense, and he took it and shot her.

It’s also possible she pulled the gun on him when he asked her to move out, he took it from her and shot her.

your 5 year rule is statute of limitations, a prosecutor isn’t going to hold someone for that long while gathering info. People have a right to a speedy trial.

[Brown_Derby]

@MHM, the McNabney murder occurred in late 2001, but the wife kept his body in the ranch freezer into 2002.

The behavior of the wife, her daughter, and her accomplice was so twisted that there is a true-crime book and a made for TV movie on their dynamics alone.

[joiedevie99]

@x-halt-salute

If I shot someone in the chest in the course of an argument, in New Jersey, I would not be at all surprised to be charged with attempted murder within 48 hours, regardless of whether I acted in self-defense or whether I instigated the argument with the intent of committing murder.

I don’t think we can read too much into the timeline, here, given recent criminal justice reform in NJ.

I won’t touch most of the speculation going on at this point, but did want to chime in to say that, as a lawyer, I agree with this. Unless there is incontrovertible evidence of self-defense (i.e. a video), the DA will charge based on the facts they are certain of - that MB shot LK.

[jetsmom]

@Denali6298

I find this statement interesting. With on going talks about gun control in this country, leave it to the horse world to somehow spin this story into she deserved it. I apologize if that’s not what you meant, but that’s how it comes off. No one deserves to be shot.

I feel like if it was a police shooting like we’ve seen rather than a BNT and a rich white woman people would be blaming the shooter.

If someone is trying to harm or kill you or someone else, thay absolutely deserve to be shot. (Not saying that regarding current thread, but taking issue with your statement that no one deserves to be shot). Self defense absolutely allows for it.

[sweet2lula]

From the prosecutors office:

“At approximately 2:13 p.m. on August 7, police received a 9-1-1 call requesting service at 411 West Mill Road for a female with gunshot wounds. Washington Township Police responded to the scene and located one female who had sustained what appeared to be multiple gunshot wounds. The Defendant, Michael Barisone, and a second male victim were also located at the scene. A handgun was also recovered.

As a result of the investigation into this incident, the Defendant was charged with two counts of Attempted Murder, crimes of the first degree, and two counts of Possession of a Weapon for an Unlawful Purpose, crimes of the second degree.”

For those with knowledge of criminal law, does this (crimes of the first degree) indicate that the prosecutors office has evidence of premeditation, or does it mean something else? What about the weapons charges being of the second degree?

[JanM]

It’s been a strange week. Who would ever have thought that equestrian sports would be on the NY Times, NY Post, and probably have stories headed to Dateline, and it would all be in the same week? It almost overshadowed the new abuse allegations from figure skating this week, and today.

[enjoytheride]

It’s the level of how bad the crime is, first could indicate circumstantial evidence for premeditation or that the prosecutor is hoping to get a plea for a lessor crime if he comes out with the big guns.

[MHM]

@JanM

It’s been a strange week. Who would ever have thought that equestrian sports would be on the NY Times, NY Post, and probably have stories headed to Dateline, and it would all be in the same week? It almost overshadowed the new abuse allegations from figure skating this week, and today.

There were new abuse allegations in figure skating this week?

I posted on another thread that the word “horse” has probably appeared more in the Times in the last 5 days than in the past 5-10 years combined. Crazy.