Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

People, being social animals, are inclined to talk about highly publicized tragedies. In a dressage community, that means talking about the reported (and misreported) facts, the public behavior of the parties involved, and the potential explanations for an incident as tragic and widely reported as this incident involving dressage riders. There’s nothing inherently more sinister in participating in that than there is in lurking in those same conversations – both are driven by the same curiosity and sociality.

Has this event elicited some schadenfreude in a few posters? Probably? I don’t know. I don’t need to know or care or try to diagnose the hearts of other posters to follow the central conversation – which, outside of the minds of the pearl clutching cohort, is not about whether anyone deserved to be shot, but how a tragedy like this could ever possibly have come to pass (a question that depends on more than the moment the gun was fired).

What’s clear is that projecting an “agenda” or “gleeful handrubbing while trashing the victim” onto all who question whether the story has been pieced together accurately, or whether LK’s actions set in motion the sequence of events that culminated in this tragedy, is jumping to the same kind of assumptions and character judgments that you’re complaining that others are doing w.r.t. LK’s public behavior. And on the other hand, if you don’t come here looking for that malice “woven into the dialogue” it’s simply not there outside of a small set of outlandish posts.

It’s getting kind of comical to see people who are following a thread devoted to the discussion of a tragic situation protesting the fact that people are discussing a tragic situation.

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You seem to want to argue with anyone who doesn’t defend Lauren Kanarek in all ways, so let me ask you what her plan was? What was her rationale for all of her harassment, calling CPS, calling SafeSport, threatening comments, posting provocative posts on social media, refusing to leave the property multiple times…defend and explain that behavior please. My challenge to you has nothing to do with Barisone’s actions, but since you seem to be so clear about Lauren’s innocence, please do explain your thoughts with us who are not as sane as you are.

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So…are you saying she deserved it?

Most people call CPS to help children, not with “the sole intention of trying to ruin someone’s life.” If someone files a false report it totally and completely sucks but there are other ways to deal with it.

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I missed this bit of info. Was it reported by a reputable source (news outlet) or was it something she said online?

Similarly, @eggbutt, what you said about the dog biting MB – was that in one of the news sources or LK’s internet posts, or what?

Just trying to figure out where some of these details are coming from…

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It was posted somewhere, if not here then a news report, that several of his arm injuries were dog bites. I recall posts by LK praising her dog for protecting her so ferociously. Could have been on her FB account or posts she deleted on others’ accounts.

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[Edit] I, I will only speak for myself, am saying she didn’t deserve to be shot nor should her actions that WE KNOW OF, not speculating from posts on this thread, warrant her getting shot.

Do I feel bad MB felt he had no other recourse? Of course. HIS choices. HIS actions ruined HIS life. Sorry if you don’t believe it, but short of someone actually laying hands on me or my family with intent to kill them or myself, no I won’t pull a gun. One does not carry a gun unless they intend to use it.

We could play the what if game forever. What if MB actually had a lease? What if MB actually started the eviction process? What if people told MB about LK? What if people posted here about LK?

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LK said on her fb page that she hit MB with her phone after the shooting.
The dog did in fact attack someone the day before the shooting and went after a police officer at the same time. LK commented on her fb page many times about how her dog attacked MB.
Very little that has been reported by “reputable” news sources is actually truth as proven by the most recent article.

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A dog attack would change the terrain w.r.t. possible ways a verbal confrontation could escalate to a shooting (incl. prior debates about whether MB could have had any reason to be armed, other than murderous rage). I’m disinclined to take certain witness accounts at face value, though, given inconsistencies thusfar. Will be interesting to see what emerges if/when the case goes to trial.

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Haha. Yeah “reputable” =/= infallable. NYT is reputable, but I wouldn’t hold up their latest article on this case as an example of journalistic rigor.

Just checking that I understood the sources for some of this – I didn’t expect any reliable new information to be reported before it goes to trial but you never know.

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So now we can believe LK? This is why the word insane got thrown out there.

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Certain things are believable due to the facts that are known! Whether you or anyone else on this forum know the facts or not is not my concern.

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:lol::lol: Of course. Sorry. My handy dandy “I believe button” is broken at the moment. I’ll order another one. In the mean time I’ll fact check with my magic eight ball.

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I believe it is very obvious some people posting here know a hell of a lot more than they are posting for a variety of reasons. Yes, ALL will come out at the trial. Hopefully he will be arraigned soon and the real defense work will begin. The one new tidbit from the NYT article is he is planning on pleading self defense. That is the first time that had been made public.

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What people fail to realize is there were more than 5 people on that farm the week before and the day of the shooting. While others may not have witnessed the shooting and altercation, they certainly witnessed behaviors. All of these other people are certainly reliable in every way.

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I think people realize that. I also think people know that anyone can come here and make a screen name, or pretend they know more than they do about anything. So a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted and should be expected.

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TBH - I am very surprised that the dog who bit the officer the day before wasn’t shot by the officer nor was it picked up by animal control, taken to the pound, where LK would be responsible for paying all board costs monthly (in advance) and subject to a hearing because clearly it was NOT under her control.

Kanarek is a victim of a shooting. She is recovering, fortunately. Whether there are extenuating circumstances remains to be seen. That is why we have attorneys.

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This is why I doubt the posters who “know” things. The scenario of the dog not being hauled in is just not that realistic. The dog would have been shot or taken by animal control .

Or maybe that police department is just that inept. Doubt it. I bet every time they went out their for whoever called at the time, they said “you need to do this.” I’m also willing to bet, neither party took the advice of the police.

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Says who?

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That’s usually what happens??? Sorry, dog attacks a cop? It gets shot or it gets quarantined. Usually. Like I said this PD could be ‘special’

ETA: Says my step-mom with 10 years on the force. Granted not this town but, ya know.

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It was said to be a bite, not an attack… so first we have to define bite.
What is the law in NJ or this particular town re bites, and the response to those?
I don’t know, but I’m not going to assume that whatever those are, they’re always applied.
Its common for Police to pick and choose what they cite.

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