Seriously?? NO ONE - or at least not those of us you have decided to single out with great indignation (you left out @Jealoushe as well) - has said LK is innocent, 100% sane, that we support her or anything like that. Not even close - but by all means, jump to conclusions, make accusations and beat others over the head with your avowed expertise about all this. I read the post, thanks. No need to brandish it around as if it was something amazing and new and profound when it is simply another of LKās disturbing monologuesā¦
And why would I want to friend her? āIf you havenāt alreadyā - what?
You seem to be the one who is quick to flail and āattackā here - but I do not see @tryintogethere admonishing you for that - big surprise.
NO ONE has asked for anyoneās identity. Read that again.
No big reveals.
We have just pointed out quietly amid the histrionics and drama that some posters were obviously very close to this issue even though they claimed otherwise for a while. To be honest, with the way some things have been divulged here at times, if you were close to LK and interacted with her, it would be very easy for her to figure out who you were based on how you have posted here - so apparently that is not a concern of any kind whatsoever.
I havenāt bothered listening to the calls but Iām familiar enough IRL and from police patrol reality shows that in interpersonal disputes there is often an element of performance in 911 calls. And in how people discuss the events as well. People will exaggerate the situation to get LE on ātheirā side and will say preposterous things to their acquaintances about how afraid they are etc. In other words I wouldnāt try to make too much of what got said in the calls other than to note there was an escalating dispute.
I donāt for a moment think LK really feared for her life right up to the moment she was shot. I think that was just FB drama queen trash talk. Likewise LE prioritize their responses by whether they believe someone is in actual danger or not. So thatās a standard question from dispatch and if you imply you are in danger they will arrive faster.
By and large police donāt go in and remove tenants. You need a court order then a bailiff or a sheriff. All the police can really do in such circumstances is tell people to play nice and cool off for the night, etc.
Btw a great many calls to 911 are essentially non-emergency and this is a problem for dispatchers.
āā¹āā¹āā¹āā¹āā¹āā¹If you just want to get someoneās antisocial behaviour on record in case it escalates you can file a police report and the police will chat with that person. Never needed to do that but Iāve seen it work for other people having interpersonal disputes that get to the edge of potential physical violence or vandalism.
However in general LE and the legal system are poor mechanisms for dealing with interpersonal disputes because they are too blunt, they are by design adversarial, and most nastiness in interpersonal disputes falls below the bar that LE is equipped to deal with.
From everything Iāve seen here LK is a piece of work with no redeeming qualities. But I still canāt get my head around a functioning human being like MB actually shooting her. Thatās the mystery that keeps me on this thread and the thing his legal team is not yet ready to discuss.
Being some what lazy I am not willing to go back and find them, but I do remember reading some posters demanding other posters tell who they are. (And I am not talking about the posts that were posted to LK.)
I think itās already well established that LK just makes up shit for her attack posts on SM. That was clearly her pattern for previous episodes of online bullying.
When you go into court you are required to swear you will tell the truth, and when you make a formal police statement you have to sign it attesting that it is true. Differences between statement and testimony obviously are very relevant. Between these and what you tell your friends not so much.
Social media posts can stand as evidence in charging someone with a crime like if you post a video showing yourself torturing a kitten or killing a person.
But I doubt that the LK level of trash talk about events on the day is going to matter compared to her sworn statements. People regularly lie IRL to those around them about their involvement in an incident until the truth comes out under oath in court. What theyāve said outside court is generally irrelevant unless it seems to be a confession.
I am going to assume that LK can hold it together to give a coherent stable narrative in whatever communication the court requires.
So while it is interesting to see how unhinged her SM posts are, I doubt they would call her sworn statements or testimony into account. Because I think there is an assumption people will lie about these things outside of court, even to family and friends before SM. How many people have spun their wives a story that dissolves under trial questioning?
I also think itās a legitimate point that after trauma the witness might not clearly remember the sequence of events.
I agree that if there is room in the defense for discussion of her character then these posts are a goldmine. But I donāt think they undermine her sworn testimony if that remains stable and coherent.
You donāt condone it, but you believe it was her fault and that her actions caused it. Thatās where we disagree. As I have said many times before, getting shot is not a reasonable outcome nor a predictable outcome of her bullying, harassing or whatever you want to call it. You seem to believe getting shot was the inevitable outcome of her behaviour it and thatās simply not the case. Shooting someone is not how disputes with annoying people get solved.
Iām going to hazard a guess that given the fact she ended up shot, LKās fears for her safety werenāt merely an act and werenāt at all unfounded.
The only thing I can really think is that he must have just almost blacked out from rage or despair or something, if he really was relatively well functioning before. Iāve had anger issues in the past when on the wrong anti-anxiety meds (not violence, but Iāve gotten so angry and frustrated at someone that I said not pleasant things and didnāt have any real control over what I said, which I hate hurting anyoneās feelings so is SUPER out of character for me). When emotions get really, really high, some people just canāt handle it, especially if there are outside influences as well (like meds or alcohol). I mean it IS possible he was just like, āI canāt get rid of her so Iām going to plan to kill herā, but I feel like if it was that premeditated the whole thing would have gone down quite differently (i.e. not shooting her outside of a house in an area where someone is surely going to hear it).
Iām going to take a wild guess that youāve never encountered someone like LK. Keep in mind she was attacked by 7 women at a club (some have said a strip club but I have absolutely no idea) and saved herself with a plastic cranberry juice bottle which then got her charged with assault with a deadly weapon (charges later dropped). Then thereās Haleybot who was most certainly harassed by LK to the point of distraction (by the way, it will be interesting to learn that Haleybotās warrant has been served when LK comes back to NC). Then thereās poor JoeyGirl who was harassed for 4 years in the most despicable way. Any one of these events could have resulted in LK being gravely injured by her victim. You donāt seem to realize she pushes and pushes to the point of danger and then pushes some more. The three situations I remarked on are now common knowledge (the first one from LK herself except for the location detail - that seems to be the consensus in NC but again, I have no idea) and there are many others that may be as severe but the objects of her harassment took legal action and had her stopped. It is apparent legal action had not had an opportunity to stop the events of August 7, but I can imagine the involvement of CPS was the final straw of sanity MB had left.
The bottom line is you are going to believe what you want as possibilities as will I. The advantage I have is I donāt see LK through rose-colored glasses.
If he had planned to kill her, he sure as H**l wouldnāt have chosen a 9mm with a target load. Hollow points would have done a much better job. Thatās not the kind of weapon to choose for premeditated murder. If I were MBās lawyer, thatās probably one of the first points I would raise.
Having said that, I can see all kinds of reasons for having a gun like that in your truck on a 50 acre farm - most likely varmints, like groundhogs, for instance.
Her fears came true. Yes.
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But my guess is she didnāt really fear for her life when she made the post saying so. That I think was drama.
I asked for eggbutt explain her connection so we can actually verify the info she claims to know, but in no way was there a demand. Jeesh. No need now though, figured it all out I think people who are this close to the subjects of this thread should think deeply about stepping back, as per the advise given to others earlier in the thread.
Well, I donāt claim to be a criminal mastermind, but I would think a premeditated murder would not take place in broad daylight in the middle of the afternoon on the porch of the house, within earshot of the barn that was his place of business. That setting sounds spectacularly unpremeditated to me. Regardless of the weapon.
The real head scratcher for me is why MB didnāt simply wait until now when it appears that dressage folk head to FL. Iām not saying what she and her employee/boyfriend were doing to him and everyone else was even remotely ok. But she would have shipped all her horses out to FL this month and he never would have had to let her return to the farm. I know that would have meant 2+ more months of hell and thatās not nothing when the hell is created in your own home. But given the alternative, her moving those horses to FL of her own accord and then completely severing ties seems like a viable plan.
Not that I think MB and MH should have had to compromise their home and business lives. And I realized Iām also not taking into account how LK/RG made life for the other boarders/clients. She seems to have had it out for many, many people at that barn, what with her threats of recordings she has of their conversations and that hysterical post on RCās FB page. But itās a shame he couldnāt have had an all-barn meeting (minus the crazy two) and apologized for bringing that crap show to the barn and asked folks to hold on for a couple months and theyād be gone.
The fact that she had tension with multiple people at the farm (not to mention all over the eastern seaboard) should have told her that she is the problem. But insight doesnāt seem to be her thing. When you have constant trouble everywhere you go, YOU are the common denominator, not 783 other people who are all just coincidentally crazy.
That FB post someone pasted here: she claims the police have her recordings. That would be an unusual strategy, given that they were illegally obtained so are evidence of a crime committed by her BUT will not be allowed into evidence against others. Those two (and the dad ālawyerā) arenāt exactly the brain trust, are they?
I believe earlier in this thread she said the cranberry juice bottle was glass. She only had it b/c she doesnāt drink (and, you know, no alcoholic drinks contain cranberry juice :eyeroll:). That was supposed to signal how upright she is - she doesnāt even drink alcohol! Never mind the picture shown everywhere of her holding a glass of sparkling wine. I think itās her FB profile pic.
LK would not have shipped her horses to FL without MB, no way, no how.
There is no way that they could have held out for 2 months. There were multiple people sleeping on the floor in the clubroom, and with LK and RG sneaking up to the barn every night (and screaming and yelling at the top of their lungs) well after midnight after they were told not to do that, everyone was sleep deprived and on edge and afraid.
Can you (collecttive you) imagine not being able to speak in your own home, place of business, and property because LK was spying on everyone? On top of the very real fear of retaliation against the workers or animals?
Quite frankly she needs to be charged with illegally recording everyone!
As you noticed in the picture, LK does in fact drink, and does plenty of other things as well!
I think people who are this close to the subjects of this thread should think deeply about stepping back, as per the advise given to others earlier in the thread.