Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[BigMama1]

@eggbutt

I’m going to take a wild guess that you’ve never encountered someone like LK. Keep in mind she was attacked by 7 women at a club (some have said a strip club but I have absolutely no idea) and saved herself with a plastic cranberry juice bottle which then got her charged with assault with a deadly weapon (charges later dropped). Then there’s Haleybot who was most certainly harassed by LK to the point of distraction (by the way, it will be interesting to learn that Haleybot’s warrant has been served when LK comes back to NC). Then there’s poor JoeyGirl who was harassed for 4 years in the most despicable way. Any one of these events could have resulted in LK being gravely injured by her victim. You don’t seem to realize she pushes and pushes to the point of danger and then pushes some more. The three situations I remarked on are now common knowledge (the first one from LK herself except for the location detail - that seems to be the consensus in NC but again, I have no idea) and there are many others that may be as severe but the objects of her harassment took legal action and had her stopped. It is apparent legal action had not had an opportunity to stop the events of August 7, but I can imagine the involvement of CPS was the final straw of sanity MB had left.

The bottom line is you are going to believe what you want as possibilities as will I. The advantage I have is I don’t see LK through rose-colored glasses.

Legal action is a FAR cry from picking up a gun and shooting someone. Maybe it’s a cultural difference because I cannot see any about of harassment reasonably resulting in attempted murder. I can’t believe how cavalier some people here about the act of potentially KILLING another human being

[ladyj79]

@BigMama1

Legal action is a FAR cry from picking up a gun and shooting someone. Maybe it’s a cultural difference because I cannot see any about of harassment reasonably resulting in attempted murder. I can’t believe how cavalier some people here about the act of potentially KILLING another human being

it’s not cultural, it’s really just some wackos. It’s pretty unconscionable.

[FitzE]

@tryintogethere

LK would not have shipped her horses to FL without MB, no way, no how.
There is no way that they could have held out for 2 months. There were multiple people sleeping on the floor in the clubroom, and with LK and RG sneaking up to the barn every night (and screaming and yelling at the top of their lungs) well after midnight after they were told not to do that, everyone was sleep deprived and on edge and afraid.
Can you (collecttive you) imagine not being able to speak in your own home, place of business, and property because LK was spying on everyone? On top of the very real fear of retaliation against the workers or animals?
Quite frankly she needs to be charged with illegally recording everyone!

As you noticed in the picture, LK does in fact drink, and does plenty of other things as well!

I’m sorry. That sounds like a living hell. I wish you all could have come out of it on the other side intact. If only no gun had been involved. I cannot imagine how stressful that was for everyone. Especially threatening the staff of Mexican descent. Racists are garbage human beings, and I stand by that statement now and forever. Given that, I’m not surprised they were capable of the rest of what you report. Not being able to speak in your own home and place of business sounds insane and unsustainable. It’s something out of a psychological horror movie. I’m sorry everyone’s lives and livelihoods were destroyed, first by the situation you describe above and then by the shooting.

[eggbutt]

@BigMama1

Legal action is a FAR cry from picking up a gun and shooting someone. Maybe it’s a cultural difference because I cannot see any about of harassment reasonably resulting in attempted murder. I can’t believe how cavalier some people here about the act of potentially KILLING another human being

For the umpteenth time on this thread, many of us do not believe MB went with the intent to do harm, nor do we yet understand where the gun actually came from. I still support MB’s self-defense until more is revealed at the arraignment. I am sorry you, and others, believe we are “wackos” but so be it. Those of us who can visualize the self-defense theory understand the stress LK can provoke. If he meant to kill her, I think he would have killed her.

[Danvers]

@eggbutt

I’m going to take a wild guess that you’ve never encountered someone like LK. Keep in mind she was attacked by 7 women at a club (some have said a strip club but I have absolutely no idea) and saved herself with a plastic cranberry juice bottle which then got her charged with assault with a deadly weapon (charges later dropped). Then there’s Haleybot who was most certainly harassed by LK to the point of distraction (by the way, it will be interesting to learn that Haleybot’s warrant has been served when LK comes back to NC). Then there’s poor JoeyGirl who was harassed for 4 years in the most despicable way. Any one of these events could have resulted in LK being gravely injured by her victim. You don’t seem to realize she pushes and pushes to the point of danger and then pushes some more. The three situations I remarked on are now common knowledge (the first one from LK herself except for the location detail - that seems to be the consensus in NC but again, I have no idea) and there are many others that may be as severe but the objects of her harassment took legal action and had her stopped. It is apparent legal action had not had an opportunity to stop the events of August 7, but I can imagine the involvement of CPS was the final straw of sanity MB had left.

The bottom line is you are going to believe what you want as possibilities as will I. The advantage I have is I don’t see LK through rose-colored glasses.

Amen.

[ladyj79]

I mean, you made up the self defense theory, so of course you can visualize it.

I don’t think you really understand what self -defense means, or how and when it is applicable.

[tryintogethere]

@ladyj79

I mean, you made up the self defense theory, so of course you can visualize it.

I don’t think you really understand what self -defense means, or how and when it is applicable.

Eggbutt did not make up the self defense theory. Many others have discussed it, whether on this thread or not. Lots of people that know LK have also suggested it as well as people that know MB.
The whole situation is unbelievable to those that don’t know LK, and quite frankly no scenario would be surprising to me at this point.

[eggbutt]

@ladyj79

I mean, you made up the self defense theory, so of course you can visualize it.

I don’t think you really understand what self -defense means, or how and when it is applicable.

I “made up” the self defense theory??? Please, I beg of you, simply scroll on past my posts, okay?

[eggbutt]

@tryintogethere

Eggbutt did not make up the self defense theory. Many others have discussed it, whether on this thread or not. Lots of people that know LK have also suggested it as well as people that know MB.
The whole situation is unbelievable to those that don’t know LK, and quite frankly no scenario would be surprising to me at this point.

And don’t forget, the flawed NYT article indicates MB has said it was self-defense, but so much was incorrect in that article, who knows?

[MorganSercu]

@FitzE

The fact that she had tension with multiple people at the farm (not to mention all over the eastern seaboard) should have told her that she is the problem. But insight doesn’t seem to be her thing. When you have constant trouble everywhere you go, YOU are the common denominator, not 783 other people who are all just coincidentally crazy.

I’m posting this link because it is apropos but still way over LK’s head:

https://despair.com/products/dysfunction

[MyssMyst]

I think we’ve seen some evidence on this very thread that LK is capable of harrassing a person to the point they are rather irrational and lashing out. Shooting her was most likely not justified (this data will come out in court), but I’m the first to admit I have no idea what went on over the course of their acquaintance. I have no idea what state of mind MB was in, or any other background situations that went into this. What we know at this point is that LK has a long history of horrific bullying, we know that tensions were escalating, we know that MB didn’t have a record up until this point. I don’t think we’ll ever know exactly what went down, the waters have been far too muddied at this point. But a decent idea is possible.

As far as forensics… Where we had three live people on scene, one with gunshot wounds, and two combatants, I think it’s reasonable to expect that at least some of the evidence is compromised. First responders are going to worry more about securing the combatants and saving LK’s life than they are about preserving a scene. They don’t have TIME to sit and plot a route that will avoid whatever shell casings and impression evidence. And a lot of the data will depend on what was/wasn’t compromised, and how thorough the crime scene techs were. Human error happens in the gathering of evidence. That’s why it can be questioned/thrown out. It shouldn’t, but crime scene techs/investigators/detectives are only human.

[Dragonfly90]

Police were incompetent and sloppy so disregard their work, victim is such a horrible person so not surprising she was shot, if he wanted to actually kill her he would have done a better job of shooting her, she was nasty in social media exchanges in the past with other nasty people so she is lucky she wasn’t shot before, she should have left when he told her to…going to need better arguments than these and actually evidence to get him off. We will see.

[iris2006]

@Dragonfly90

Police were incompetent and sloppy so disregard their work, victim is such a horrible person so not surprising she was shot, if he wanted to actually kill her he would have done a better job of shooting her, she was nasty in social media exchanges in the past with other nasty people so she is lucky she wasn’t shot before, she should have left when he told her to…going to need better arguments than these and actually evidence to get him off. We will see.

Or a plea deal, or a sympathetic juror or two if it goes to trial. If there are jurors that have had dealings with a person such as LK seems to be and there is evidence of this let in, I would think that could help MB. I’ve never been on a jury or read juror instructions. Not sure if mitigating factors (such as LK calling CPS, etc. and not leaving the property) can be considered.

[BigMama1]

@Jealoushe

So shooting someone in the chest isn’t a plan to kill? OK

My mind is blown. Can you imagine any other situation where someone acquired a gun from someone (because all M ‘s defenders are certain he would never own a pink gun), bring said gun with him to a confrontation with someone who claimed he was a physical threat to her, shot her twice in the chest, and still people argue with a straight face that he didn’t intend to kill her? ‘Murica.

[Cat_Tap]

This thread is like a disease that I can’t seem to shred, so I am still on. Playing psychologist here and have come to the conclusion that Jealoushe’s opinions are based on her experience as a victim. I think BigMama is just trying to stir the pot. Though we don’t have the same gun culture here in Canada we are not immune to domestic violence.

I do have a gun. It is now old and rusty but I know I could shoot someone to defend my home and animals.

[Brown_Derby]

@Cat Tap

This thread is like a disease that I can’t seem to shred, so I am still on.

Last night I pictured this thread as a Hydra. I would like to put it out of its misery but only Hercules is up to the task.

[Angela_Freda]

@BigMama1

My mind is blown. Can you imagine any other situation where someone acquired a gun from someone (because all M ‘s defenders are certain he would never own a pink gun),

He was charged with unlawful possession, which others have suggested indicates he did not own the gun used in this altercation. I also believe someone, though I’m no longer clear who, suggested the gun was legally owned by the BM who was sleeping in the barn aisle

bring said gun with him to a confrontation with someone who claimed he was a physical threat to her, shot her twice in the chest, and still people argue with a straight face that he didn’t intend to kill her? ‘Murica.

Mine in red

ETA- claims are suspect in my book, especially those from LK and her bf. I leave out claims by MB and anyone associated with him (his fiance, staff, clients, etc), simply because they’ve made none that I’m aware of.

[Jealoushe]

@BigMama1

Legal action is a FAR cry from picking up a gun and shooting someone. Maybe it’s a cultural difference because I cannot see any about of harassment reasonably resulting in attempted murder. I can’t believe how cavalier some people here about the act of potentially KILLING another human being

For what it is worth, I think you are completely right in your opinion.

I was previously a victim of a violent assault, and when my assaulter got out of jail I became aware he once again had access to many guns. I notified the police, they tried to calm me down etc. Basically the detective said that there is a subconscious line in humans, between shooting a gun, and shooting a gun AT A person with intent. He said it is very, very rare, that a person can actually point and shoot a gun at another person. This coming from a very intelligent and experienced detective (Yes it happens all the time but compared to the population not really). So to me if MB shot LK point blank in the chest twice, he surely isn’t the innocent man driven mad everyone claims him to be.

[Jealoushe]

@ladyj79

I mean, you made up the self defense theory, so of course you can visualize it.

I don’t think you really understand what self -defense means, or how and when it is applicable.

For real though. I have posted the law in NJ- NOTHING about this falls under self defense. One there was a chance for him to leave or avoid entirely by not driving up. Two, a gun against a small woman is not reasonable force. It even says in the law that gender, body size, etc are accounted.

You can Self Defense until you are blue in the face, but evidence doesn’t lie.

[Jealoushe]

@Cat Tap

This thread is like a disease that I can’t seem to shred, so I am still on. Playing psychologist here and have come to the conclusion that Jealoushe’s opinions are based on her experience as a victim. I think BigMama is just trying to stir the pot. Though we don’t have the same gun culture here in Canada we are not immune to domestic violence.

I do have a gun. It is now old and rusty but I know I could shoot someone to defend my home and animals.

For sure I think I have an inside look at what it is like to be a survivor of an attempted murder. And also to sit on the sidelines while all the friends of the POS who did it to me sat there and supported him. I definitely have a different view on life now, on many things. It takes you to places you don’t want to go but also opens you up beyond what you know in the healing. The best part was sitting in court and looking at their dumb faces when he pled guilty and the judge read the account of what happened…and suddenly the friends knew the truth.

Anyways…I would also protect my animals, myself, and my home if I had to. Question remains if MB HAD to do this. We all know he didn’t. Any emotionally stable person would have retreated home and let the law sort out their issues. MB got impatient and angry and decided he couldn’t wait any longer. It really doesn’t matter how BScrazy LK was. He had other choices that day.

@MyssMyst

As far as forensics… Where we had three live people on scene, one with gunshot wounds, and two combatants, I think it’s reasonable to expect that at least some of the evidence is compromised. First responders are going to worry more about securing the combatants and saving LK’s life than they are about preserving a scene. They don’t have TIME to sit and plot a route that will avoid whatever shell casings and impression evidence. And a lot of the data will depend on what was/wasn’t compromised, and how thorough the crime scene techs were. Human error happens in the gathering of evidence. That’s why it can be questioned/thrown out. It shouldn’t, but crime scene techs/investigators/detectives are only human.

Is this a statement of wishful thinking? There will still be plenty of evidence available still. Crime scene contamination can happen in any case, not just this one.