Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[MHM]

@vagabondrider

In one of the articles linked on this page, it said Michael Barisone’s website had also been taken down. I just checked, and it is down. Also his Facebook page seems to be down. Presumably both MB & LK had family/friends/employees who did this.

Her Facebook page is still up, but it does not show any recent posts, at least for me. So maybe they were taken down, or just made private. I don’t do Instagram or Twitter as a rule, so I don’t know if she has accounts there.

Really, plenty of people post lots of crazy things on their Facebook pages or other accounts. They just don’t get as much attention under normal circumstances.

[ladyj79]

@MHM

Parkland, Florida is also a very nice area. There is a cute little horse show facility with a couple of rings not far from the school. I’m sure nobody there would expect to find themselves in the situation they did a year and a half ago. But all those kids have been going through shooter drills ever since they started school, I believe. I remember doing duck and cover drills when I was a kid in school, but at least we never had to use those skills for real.

https://www.cityofparkland.org/Facil…-Temple-Park-3

I mean, except the 40 odd times the parkland shooter was reported to local police and fbi because people absolutely expected something like what occurred to occur.

[miss_machine]

@jetsmom

MB didnt have a weapons permit. LK says she owns a gun and says she knows how to use it. MB doesnt have criminal background. Lk and felon fiance both have violent criminal backgrounds.
You have one of the 3 that says they own a gun. That same person seems nuts and has a violent past…I’m speculating it was her gun.

-sign-
How do you know about the permit? I know of no way of looking that up.

Also, private property does not require the use of a permit in many states.

LK stated that she had guns in a different state according to her FB. Regardless of her statement, said statement can not be used to predict behavior.

Previous criminal activity convicts no one of future guilt.

I own many many guns and know how to use them. I don’t post this on social media. You can not speculate gun ownership based on whether or not it’s admitted on FB.

[BigMama1]

@Toblersmom

The Catch-22 about living someplace with a high right of gun crime and a high number of gun owners is that there are any number of settings where shooting somebody, with intent to kill them, is absolutely, positively, the only way to protect yourself and others. How many more people would have been killed and injured in Dayton, beyond the 10 dead and 27 injures, if he hadn’t been killed by officers within THIRTY SECONDS of starting to let it rip? How many more people would have died in Sutherland if Steve Willeford hadn’t shot him (acknowledging that Mr. Willeford did not succeed in killing the mass shooter, there’s no doubt he tried his very best to do so, and fortunately that was enough to make the shooter break off and stop.

And that’s not even counting the various victims of domestic violence or other crime where an attacker has a firearm and is showing real intention of using it to kill you. They just found the body of a woman who was almost certainly murdered by her own husband near where I live. The neighbohood of their home is very “nice”, at least as nice as my own. I don’t know whether or not she had the opportunity or the means to kill him first, but surely she would have been justified had she no other recourse and done so.

It’s nice that you apparently live in a place where having your life threatened by strangers isn’t all too commonplace. It’s nice that people around you are good people who wouldn’t even think of being a deadly threat. It’s nice that you can’t even begin to imagine being in a situation where you would be confronted with taking someone’s life to save your own or others. Enjoy it. Not everybody can say the same.

That’s precisely why I live in a place with common sense gun control legislation - so that getting shot in my home, or at the movies, or at Walmart isn’t commonplace. Statistically speaking, having a gun for “protection” increases the likelihood of an innocent person getting shot. Look up the stats.

[BigMama1]

@Toblersmom

I feel the need to make it explicitly clear that my above response is in regards to the theory held by some that it is never morally or legally correct to kill somebody in self defense, full stop, or that there is always a way to defend yourself without using a gun or other fatal force.

I have every faith that the authorities entrusted with preservation of public safety and starting the wheels of justice rolling have acted appropriately in making this particular arrest, using these charges, and I think that the probability that some new information will come to light that he was truly acting in self-defense is vanishingly small.

To my knowledge nobody here, myself included, has said it’s “never” morally or legally correct to kill somebody in self defense. However somebody did say that it is ok to shoot someone if they try to hurt you or threaten their life. All I did was point of that there are other means of self defense and shooting shouldn’t be your first option in many situation, aside from one in which someone is pointing a gun at you.

We don’t know who brought a gun to the argument or why. What we do know is that if that one gun had not been there, the likelihood of this dispute ending with someone being shot would have been pretty minuscule.

[BigMama1]

@Crashing Boar

One thing you NEVER hear mentioned in any of the news stories about these kinds of incidents or police-involved shootings, is that everyone involved is usually very HIGHLY ADRENALIZED. Your cerebral cortex is off-line, your brain stem, the reptillian survival part, is doing the processing. From the moment the sympathetic nervous system dumps the maximum adrenaline into your bloodstream, for all but the most highly trained, that equals one of 3 things, not under one’s control: Fight. Flight. Or Freeze. The most common is “freeze.”

The first thing to go is fine-motor control. One’s hands shake uncontrollably. Even speed-dialling a cell phone may take 6 tries. Cops are often found to have squeezed off 7 shots when they’d have sworn it was only 2. Time seems to move in slow motion, tunnel vision is common, and often one has no auditory recall of the experience.

Anyone who thinks they “know” how they’d react in such a situation is fooling themselves. Anyone who thinks their concealed (or open) Carry Permit is enough training to handle an active shooter is equally deluded. It’s not about the target practice, its about self-control when in mortal danger–as in someone shooting BACK. In the police and military, this is known as “agonistic training.” It is rigorous, unpleasant, absolutely necessary and frequently disturbing when you don’t react as you “think” you should.

Anyone who would like to believe they are minimally competent to control such a situation would be well advised to read Lt. Col. Dave Grossman’s classic book, On Combat. But there is no way you will ever truly understand unless such a situation (God forbid!) comes to YOU. Soldiers and cops know these things well, but never talk about it.

The bottom line is that “barn drama” should never, EVER, go this far. No “horse” problem is worth it. Period.

Amen to this

[Fiona_785]

@CiegoStar

I get that she was looney, but none of that explains why Barisone repeatedly said to cops “I’ve had a good life” after they arrested him, or why he was found with the fiancé lying on top of him to keep him from moving when the cops arrived, with the gun pinned under his chest. This is all from the police report.

You know he could have been saying it over and over to himself as if he was saying “I had a good life, I had a good life, before I met her.”

I pictured him sort of mumbling it to himself as if he was just looking back at his life before she came in and caused all the chaos and if he’d only known then what he knows now about how she is… Maybe he even acted in self-defense, it’s totally possible. I guess her reputation well is that she apparently can be extremely manipulative—obviously that doesn’t mean I think she should have been shot!!— but god knows the situation that really went down in that house that lead to her being the one shot…

Honestly we have no idea at this point but it’s just another perspective for the case.

[Angela_Freda]

@Fiona_785

You know he could have been saying it over and over to himself as if he was saying “I had a good life, I had a good life, before I met her.”

I pictured him sort of mumbling it to himself as if he was just looking back at his life before she came in and caused all the chaos and if he’d only known then what he knows now about how she is… Maybe he even acted in self-defense, it’s totally possible. I guess her reputation well is that she apparently can be extremely manipulative—obviously that doesn’t mean I think she should have been shot!!— but god knows the situation that really went down in that house that lead to her being the one shot…

Honestly we have no idea at this point but it’s just another perspective for the case.

It could have been “I lived a good life…” as in didn’t do anything to deserve this.

[Fiona_785]

@BigMama1

That’s precisely why I live in a place with common sense gun control legislation - so that getting shot in my home, or at the movies, or at Walmart isn’t commonplace. Statistically speaking, having a gun for “protection” increases the likelihood of an innocent person getting shot. Look up the stats.

Don’t think just because we are Americans that we condone the current gun legislations. Many of us are just as aghast at how bad the situation is but are helpless as citizens to do anything about it. The gun lobby is enormous and it’s been a losing battle for decades to try and temper it. Trust me, we know it’s bad.

[AnotherRound]

Welp, since we all really know next to nothing and are guessin, MY personal guess/evaluation, is that somebody was set up. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a whole lot more self defence going on. There was one article which I thought said that the accusations and explainations about what happened came from the victim at the hospital or something, and I have a hard time not thinking about how she had set herself up so well for this weeks before with the concerns about needing protection. I just have a hard time with the whole story. I do hope she heals up well. Not sure I believe her, though. Just my gut.

[CatPS]

@Fiona_785

Don’t think just because we are Americans that we condone the current gun legislations. Many of us are just as aghast at how bad the situation is but are helpless as citizens to do anything about it. The gun lobby is enormous and it’s been a losing battle for decades to try and temper it. Trust me, we know it’s bad.

This is so true. We are trying. There’s a LOT of division here right now, and current legislation often does not reflect the views of the majority of the population.

[Joanne]

I didn’t see this mentioned:

“Olympic equestrian accused in shooting found ineligible to compete”

https://www.nj.com/news/2019/08/olympic-equestrian-found-ineligible-to-compete-by-safe-sport.html

”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹Michael Barisone is on the Safe Sport suspension list:

https://www.usef.org/compete/resources-forms/rules-regulations/safe-sport-sanctions

[dudleyc]

@Angela Freda

So who deleted all of it? If she’s been shot point blank twice in the chest… is she really on Facebook scrubbing her page?
And what does that say, if one is deleting all that? Hard to say it wasn’t what it looked like if, while recovering from being blasted twice, point blank in the chest, you had the energy and motivation to delete it all.

I have a screen shot from Lauren’s Facebook page that outlines her version of the backstory. She she wrote it in Chapters. It’s very illuminating. BUT it was deleted from Facebook and I am not sure if the content is appropriate to share?

[Denali6298]

@dudleyc

I have a screen shot from Lauren’s Facebook page that outlines her version of the backstory. She she wrote it in Chapters. It’s very illuminating. BUT it was deleted from Facebook and I am not sure if the content is appropriate to share?

In my opinion it would be highly in appropriate to share due to the fact that it is an open investigation and all related posts were deleted for a reason.

[Mersidoats]

@dudleyc

I have a screen shot from Lauren’s Facebook page that outlines her version of the backstory. She she wrote it in Chapters. It’s very illuminating. BUT it was deleted from Facebook and I am not sure if the content is appropriate to share?

Several other posts that she “deleted” from Facebook are being used in articles that have been splashed across the web. And deleted is a strong word - I think her settings simply were made private.

But, in the words of my journalist friends, the internet is forever. Her Facebook was public. Regarding appropriateness, that is totally your choice.

[gailbyrd]

@Joanne

I didn’t see this mentioned:

“Olympic equestrian accused in shooting found ineligible to compete”

https://www.nj.com/news/2019/08/olympic-equestrian-found-ineligible-to-compete-by-safe-sport.html

Michael Barisone is on the Safe Sport suspension list:

https://www.usef.org/compete/resources-forms/rules-regulations/safe-sport-sanctions

”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹Placed on those lists AFTER the shooting, NOT before. Timeline is important

[Joanne]

@gailbyrd

Placed on those lists AFTER the shooting, NOT before.

Well, yes, Captain Obvious.

[clanter]

@Joanne

I didn’t see this mentioned:

“Olympic equestrian accused in shooting found ineligible to compete”

https://www.nj.com/news/2019/08/olympic-equestrian-found-ineligible-to-compete-by-safe-sport.html

Michael Barisone is on the Safe Sport suspension list:

https://www.usef.org/compete/resources-forms/rules-regulations/safe-sport-sanctions

look at the date he was put on the suspension list it was August 9th, 2019 …last Friday…it was not that he was on the list prior to this …appears to be a cover their butt move…oh he shot some one we better suspend him

I personally can not get around the handgun being a Ruger, a to top professional of anything that would like having a Timex rather than a Rolex. The Ruger is more of a commoner’s gun where I would have thought a trainer of his rating would have had Glock or Browning Belgium (there is prestige in having the Right weapon)

One thing the Ruger will work with lighter load cartilages where the Glock and Browning will not normally preform

To me it just does not add up that a top big-time trainer would buy/use a cheap gun with cheap ammo

Did he drive a Chevy Cobalt cheap car or some BMW/Mercedes?

[Denali6298]

@clanter

look at the date he was put on the suspension list it was August 9th, 2019 …last Friday…it was not that he was on the list prior to this …appears to be a cover their butt move…oh he shot some one we better suspend him

I personally can not get around the handgun being a Ruger, a to top professional of anything that would like having a Timex rather than a Rolex. The Ruger is more of a commoner’s gun where I would have thought a trainer of his rating would have had Glock or Browning Belgium (there is prestige in having the Right weapon)

One thing the Ruger will work with lighter load cartilages where the Glock and Browning will not normally preform

To me it just does not add up that a top big-time trainer would buy/use a cheap gun with cheap ammo

Did he drive a Chevy Cobalt cheap car or some BMW/Mercedes?

I think it’s appropriate for someone to be suspended if they have been charged with murder. I don’t see it as a CYA at all. That’s typically what happens in other professions and in other sports.

[Manahmanah]

Michael does not do cheap anything