Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[ladyj79]

@vicarious

Most of you are happily analyzing and pontificating on the only information available as to what happened that day. No one has mentioned ownership of the “pink gun”. Few have mentioned her questionable past, or that of her hired hand boyfriend, fiancee.

So far the only statement has been supplied by said boyfriend,fiancee, who has a vested interest in hurling sand, and sawdust around enthusiastically. This, with the “police” quoting him to a reporter.

It is quite possible that she owes or has vested interest in one or other of her horses with Michael, a not uncommon practice between rider and trainer. When did she last pay board or rent? Was a lack of board or rent the reason for eviction? Again, who owns the gun? What really happened?

I snuggest you all await , quietly, more information from any other source.

hahahaha have you read a single post here?!?!?!?!?

[trubandloki]

@ladyj79

And much of it seems absolutely designed to provide an excuse for Michael Barisone shooting a woman twice in the chest.

I read it (the tangent about the Bronze medal scores) as typical COTH fact seeking thread tangent.

In this case we happen to be talking about a shooting victim. The same tangent would have happened if the news article included the same stuff about being an equestrian and was about some famous person launching their new swim suit line.

On the topic at hand - There is nothing wrong with wanting reasons. To you they are excuses, because that is your soap box, but truly there is nothing wrong with wanting reasons. People always want reasons.
Maybe the reason truly is that MB is a jerk-head and walked over there and shot her. Maybe the reason is he was tricked by a drug dealer into coming over and then confronted with a gun which he wrestled away and she got shot. Heck, maybe the reason is the fiance shot her, then framed MB for it (meant to be humor). We do not know… but wanting to know, and discussing wanting to know does not make us evil or wrong.
This is not comparable to a sexual assault/rape situation because there is NEVER a justifiable reason for that. There is sometimes a justifiable reason to shoot someone.

The reference to your soap box - we all have a soap box, that was not a dig.

[ToN_Farm]

@RainWeasley

Has anyone really contemplated the fact that the story the media has been told is all through the fiance, that has a sketchy past?

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Pink Gun description came from the fiance as well, not LE.

[Angela_Freda]

@ladyj79

No, looking up people’s dressage scores and publicly mocking them is not how you do that. That’s just being a mean girl.

Is pointing out that someone ( edit: whether the wannabe news source, the fiance, or LE ) got her accomplishment wrong really mean?
Its factual.
You need two scores over 60% under two different judges. Whomever suggested she does not, per those scores, have her Bronze is mean for doing so?
edit:
What you seem to be taking as mocking I read as ‘mocking’ the mistake, made by ???.. not mocking the scores themselves. Is that where our difference of perspective is maybe?

I’d ask"since when is it mean to point out facts", but then we’d be headed into the no-no realm of politics and alternate facts…

[ladyj79]

@Angela Freda

Is pointing out that someone got her accomplishment wrong really mean?
Its factual.
You need two scores over 60% under two different judges. Whomever suggested she does not, per those scores, have her Bronze is mean for doing so?
I’d ask"since when is it mean to point out facts", but then we’d be headed into the no-no realm of politics and alternate facts…

What does this have to do with Michael Barisone shooting her???

That’s my question.

[Nestor]

@ladyj79

What does this have to do with Michael Barisone shooting her???

That’s my question.

Because between her attention-seeking posts on FB, to her history of being problematic with other folks around NC, to her potentially lying about her achievements… all points to a possibility that she could have created this situation and brought the gun or even another weapon herself, meaning MB could have shot her in self-defense. Considering that she was posting threats on FB, I wouldn’t blame him for carrying a gun himself either.

Since we have very limited facts in the media at this point, folks are speculating. Why would an individual with zero history and a lot to lose suddenly shoot someone? When that person who was shot has a very questionable past and a history of erratic behavior… we assume that this isn’t a simple case of MB going to her home and shooting her because he’s mad.

So yes, it’s all relevant. Until more comes to light, people are going to be curious and try to fill in the gaps themselves. It’s human nature. If you are patient enough to wait it out, props to you. You don’t have to continue to berate folks for posting factual information they find online, or things that they know from firsthand experience with LK.

[enjoytheride]

It could speak to a self defense claim. Crazy lady and sketchy fiance who lied a lot, claimed she was threatened but refused to move out despite eviction notice, set up elaborate scam to frame Barisone, but distraught Barisone ends up breaking and shooting her. Even if that’s not what happened, it could be pretty easy for a lawyer to convince a jury that was what happened, and get a reduced conviction.

[Angela_Freda]

@RainWeasley

Has anyone really contemplated the fact that the story the media has been told is all through the fiance, that has a sketchy past? It crossed my mind to wonder if maybe he lied about what happened, and that either MB didn’t fire the shots or shots were fired during a struggle for the gun.

yes, it has definite been head scratch worthy that he’s the only one talking. Probably smart on the part of the defendant. But why the rush to get your side out there, has been what I’ve wondered.

I don’t know that I actually believe that, the simple story is usually the true one: MB had a gun and shot LK, whether he really meant to or not, and likely the police had ways to tell what happened. But the speculation on the backgrounds of all those involved (prior offenses, history of lying and embellishing, suspicious gaining of money, etc) does make it look odd.

Thanks for saying this. To me the simple to believe story is not the shooter being a cold blooded killer who isn’t smart enough to recognize this is a crime, and perpetrating it in broad daylight, on an active, busy farm, with LE being well aware of the ongoing conflict, with only witness who is super sympathetic to the victim present… one he’s unlikely to get away with.

That’s not defending MB or really speaking about him specifically at all. It just doesn’t seem the simplest, most likely scenario. There are lots of other explanations that, to me, make more sense than the shooter is a cold blooded killer who walked up to the house and shot her… not because its MB, but because people who would do that are rare. And life is usually way more complicated than that.

Where I work, we are instructed on how to look at the things our coworkers do and note anything suspicious. Odd vacations, working late or early hours, talking to foreigners in high positions that there isn’t really a good reason for them to be on speaking terms with, signs that they came into a lot of money suddenly, and you are supposed to report anything that doesn’t sit right, to try to cut down on terrorism and espionage. I’m not saying anyone in this case is a spy or anything, but when there are a bunch of odd facts that add up to paint a picture that isn’t QUITE right, you aren’t supposed to ignore them. I feel like that is all that people are doing here. Not saying that they think MB didn’t shoot her, or that he is innocent, or that she deserved it (definitely not!). But that there are some things that aren’t really making sense. I don’t consider wondering as being a mean girl or anything.

Yes, exactly.

[ladyj79]

Wow. her dressage scores prove self defense. Wow.

[myhorsefly]

@vicarious

It is quite possible that she owes or has vested interest in one or other of her horses with Michael, a not uncommon practice between rider and trainer. When did she last pay board or rent? Was a lack of board or rent the reason for eviction? Again, who owns the gun? What really happened?

I snuggest you all await , quietly, more information from any other source.

Exactly. Instead of blaming him for not training her horses, why has nobody bothered to question why? If someone owed me back board, training, and rent, I sure wouldn’t continue to give lessons and train for that person who owed me. Not sure any smart trainer would, either. No one has bothered to question WHY this became an issue, in the first place. If all were as it should be, regarding being paid for services, etc. there would not be a need to have to evict someone. Part of any contract for boarding a horse is that the horse becomes the property of the facility, should board and services not be paid. You pay up, you get your horse back. It’s very simple.

[trubandloki]

@ladyj79

Wow. her dressage scores prove self defense. Wow.

Now you are sounding a little on the crazy side.
No one said anything close to that. The dressage score discussion is 100% because of it being blasted everywhere that she is an award winning equestrian who won a bronze medal.

Curious question - would you be this aghast if MB had shot the fiance (a male)?

[Jealoushe]

I love how much people doubt law enforcements ability to decipher evidence in this thread. Everyone knows more than LE because “Olympian” or “nice guy”.

What a joke.

FYI most criminals, especially killers blindside their family and friends with their action because they are able to hide their true self for so long.

Also, any LE agent will tell you there is a difference between someone who has a gun and will shoot it, and someone who will shoot a person. It is a line that is only crossed by a certain type of person. It takes some “thing” to have the ability to shoot someone. It is common knowledge in law enforcement. If the evidence suggests self defense that will come out in trial, but right now the evidence points to MB attmepting to kill two people on his property. End of.

[Angela_Freda]

@ladyj79

What does this have to do with Michael Barisone shooting her???

That’s my question.

It suggests the reporting on this incident is either biased or not very thorough, or both. That means it’s possible that none of the “facts” can be taken as factual.

It has little to do with the actual shooting, everything to do with what we think we know about the shooting. (Edit)

[farmpony84]

There have been instances like this where the media has gone “dark” (because the police are not releasing any information as they continue to investigate). In cases like that - the media will continue to quote from witnesses that will later be discredited for lying or altering facts or omitting truths. Sometimes they even end up being charged with something.

I’m not saying this will be the case but to me, it seems like there is a lot of “stuff” being left out and a lot of holes that haven’t been filled in. Using the “pink” gun as an example. There still has been no report stating who owned the gun or how it was obtained - I’m sure by now they have that information which one would ASSUME is an important part of the investigation.

I am curious to see what the end result is on this investigation. I would think his immediate arrest would have been based on he said/she said at the scene and preliminary evidence but at the hospital they would have tested his hands for gun residue and at the scene they would have measured distances and there is that broken window they keep talking about - there should be a bullet inside the house…

Has there been an article that confirmed the bullets in her chest match the bullets in the gun?

Now I’m not saying they don’t and I’m not saying one person is innocent or another is lying… I"m just speculating and thinking out loud…

[staceyk]

So, I have not seen this shared yet: https://www.yourtango.com/2019327140/who-lauren-kanarek-new-details-woman-who-called-911-herself-identify-her-assailant

[Sticky_Situation]

I don’t remember anyone on here saying that MB couldn’t/wouldn’t have shot someone because he’s such a nice guy or because he went to the Olympics. I won’t speak to what has been said on Facebook because I haven’t seen that much of it.

I also haven’t seen anyone saying the police did their jobs incorrectly or that MB shouldn’t have been charged.

All I’ve seen has been some questioning that things are as cut and dried as they’re presented in the media, and whether the fiancé’s statement is truly what happened from an objective standpoint.

[Sparrowette]

@ThreeFigs

[h=1]From that KXAN-26 site headline: Olympic rider low shoots neighbor view[/h] Huh? and then there’s this: It is a Drama with notice.

Yes, it is indeed.

This appears to have been written by someone unfamiliar with the English language.

[hut-ho78]

How about writing all posts as though Michael’, Lauren’s, and Guy’s mothers were reading them. This is tragic. A woman is in ICU and a talented horseman’s life and career may be ruined.

[Angela_Freda]

@staceyk

So, I have not seen this shared yet: https://www.yourtango.com/2019327140…-her-assailant

Very different facts and sequence of events in this telling.
If the source of this is the source of the other articles… why are they telling a very different story than the other telling of it?
In one accounting, MB shot at the fiance while fiance was in the house… this new version is meaningfully different. And to me the discrepancy is the real problem, more than which location the fiance was during the incident.

From the bio on the author… seriously…
"She’s an experienced generalist with a passion for lifestyle, geek news, pop culture, and true crime. "

Most journalists include proofread in their experience.
And yes, that is actual mocking.

[Claddagh]

@staceyk

So, I have not seen this shared yet: https://www.yourtango.com/2019327140/who-lauren-kanarek-new-details-woman-who-called-911-herself-identify-her-assailant

A little more detail although not much.

I watched the video of LK riding… might explain her dressage scores… critiques anyone?