Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[Marla_100]

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[merrygoround]

@staceyk

So, I have not seen this shared yet: https://www.yourtango.com/2019327140/who-lauren-kanarek-new-details-woman-who-called-911-herself-identify-her-assailant

What a lot of supposition written as fact.

[Jealoushe]

@hut-ho78

. A woman is in ICU and a talented horseman’s life and career may be ruined.

I’m sorry but these things are not of equal importance, not even close especially if he is guilty.

[merrygoround]

@ladyj79

hahahaha have you read a single post here?!?!?!?!?

Yup! All of them. Still say you’ve heard nothing but from one source.

[caffeinated]

@Jealoushe

FYI most criminals, especially killers blindside their family and friends with their action because they are able to hide their true self for so long.

I think this is generally true for serial predators, for sure, but in a lot of cases - people are just complicated creatures. They can be good AND bad. Even killers may not be hiding some great evil, as much as they make a series of bad decisions and get caught up in things. (this is not to excuse them, it’s just… very few things, including people, are black and white). Heck, I met a former murderer a while back who was running a soup kitchen. I think that the potential for something like this dwells in most of us, given the right combination of circumstances, some bad decisions, especially if frustration and anger are involved. I don’t think that necessarily is the “true self” but rather a part of human behavior that lurks, ready to catch people when who can’t be rational anymore.

I think that’s part of the reason many of us want more details on the whole situation. We’re struggling to understand it and make sense out of the sequence of events. Not to excuse MB but to try and understand how he got from Point A to Point B here.

[hut-ho78]

@Jealoushe

I’m sorry but these things are not of equal importance, not even close especially if he is guilty.

You ignored the message to tone down the hatefulness in the messages and deliberately changed my meaning. Try again.

“How about writing all posts as though Michael’, Lauren’s, and Guy’s mothers were reading them. This is tragic. A woman is in ICU and a talented horseman’s life and career may be ruined.”

[caffeinated]

@Marla 100

Looks like Barisone will be staying in jail until the case is disposed of legally. He had his hearing this morning and will not be given bail.
Kanarek is still in ICU due to her injuries.
Judge says M. Barisone will remain in jail until his case is heard.

https://www.nj.com/morris/2019/08/ac…n-he-shot.html

The arraignment is where people plead guilty or not, correct? His plea is not expressly stated in the article, is that information findable, anywhere?

[joliemom_again]

@caffeinated

The arraignment is where people plead guilty or not, correct? His plea is not expressly stated in the article, is that information findable, anywhere?

The most recent NJ.com indicated it was his detention hearing.

Also, here’s an interesting tidbit brought up by MB’s attorney…

“Simms also told reporters that, on the morning of the shooting, Kanarek and Goodwin called the Division of Child Protection and Permanency, commonly referred to as DYFS, to report allegations of childhood abuse against Barisone.”

[babyeventer23]

https://cbsloc.al/2YYUmkc

Video posted from the hearing this morning

[Marla_100]

@caffeinated

The arraignment is where people plead guilty or not, correct? His plea is not expressly stated in the article, is that information findable, anywhere?

now they’re calling it a Dentention Hearing. Haven’t seen any other news article about it yet. I’ll keep looking.

[Jealoushe]

@caffeinated

I think this is generally true for serial predators, for sure, but in a lot of cases - people are just complicated creatures. They can be good AND bad. Even killers may not be hiding some great evil, as much as they make a series of bad decisions and get caught up in things. (this is not to excuse them, it’s just… very few things, including people, are black and white). Heck, I met a former murderer a while back who was running a soup kitchen. I think that the potential for something like this dwells in most of us, given the right combination of circumstances, some bad decisions, especially if frustration and anger are involved. I don’t think that necessarily is the “true self” but rather a part of human behavior that lurks, ready to catch people when who can’t be rational anymore.

I think that’s part of the reason many of us want more details on the whole situation. We’re struggling to understand it and make sense out of the sequence of events. Not to excuse MB but to try and understand how he got from Point A to Point B here.

I do agree with you, I know that in the right circumstances, people can make bad decisions etc, and it ends in tragedy. That for sure does happen. I just think people need to realize that just because someone is nice and talented, doesn’t mean they can’t be evil, or have bad motives. Not saying that is the case with MB, but like you I think we need to wait for what the evidence says. Not give MB a pass because he was well liked.

[caffeinated]

@Marla 100

now they’re calling it a Dentention Hearing. Haven’t seen any other news article about it yet. I’ll keep looking.

I checked the NJ criminal court database and his name doesn’t even come up as a defendant. They need to get that system working better…

[StellaTMK]

In NJ passed and instituted ‘bail reform’ a few years ago. bottom line - there is no bail offered in NJ any longer, you are either detained or not. So these hearings on whether to keep someone in jail pending prosecution is a detention hearing.

[Jealoushe]

https://www.nj.com/morris/2019/08/accused-shooter-at-equestrian-center-claims-he-was-being-harassed-by-woman-he-shot.html

[Mardi]

@caffeinated

But I’m wondering here, if so many people were being harassed or threatened, if there is a history of messy evictions, etc, did these folks go to law enforcement and/or the appropriate courts?

…if the behavior was scary enough to be reported to SS, did they try to get orders of protection, or report any of this to law enforcement?

A NJ attorney recently told me that it’s very difficult to evict someone, and often takes 12-18 months. If the property owner can show that the rented space is going to be sold, or torn down, the process moves quicker.

The police had been called several times to the property in the days before the shooting. It would be interesting to know who called them, and what the complaint was.

[x-halt-salute]

@Nestor

Since we have very limited facts in the media at this point, folks are speculating. Why would an individual with zero history and a lot to lose suddenly shoot someone? When that person who was shot has a very questionable past and a history of erratic behavior… we assume that this isn’t a simple case of MB going to her home and shooting her because he’s mad.

So yes, it’s all relevant. Until more comes to light, people are going to be curious and try to fill in the gaps themselves. It’s human nature. If you are patient enough to wait it out, props to you. You don’t have to continue to berate folks for posting factual information they find online, or things that they know from firsthand experience with LK.

Furthermore, questioning whether the facts reported by news sources are accurate, and whether sources of some of the details reported in the news might be biased is not “victim blaming” or “looking for an excuse for MB because he’s a big shot”. It’s called critical thinking. Not just consuming information, but analysing it. We’d all still think the earth is flat, and criminal justice would be absolutely impossible, without it.

Nobody here knows what happened. I think some people would do well to remember that American justice involves a presumption of innocence. Whether guilt will be revealed by the evidence, we’ll have to wait and see. But it certainly seems as crude to presume guilt as it does to question whether there are scenarios that could lead to a not guilty verdict.

Nobody here is going to find the truth until more facts become public. But while we all wait to learn more, why ask people to switch their brains off?

[Jealoushe]

@hut-ho78

You ignored the message to tone down the hatefulness in the messages and deliberately changed my meaning. Try again.

“How about writing all posts as though Michael’, Lauren’s, and Guy’s mothers were reading them. This is tragic. A woman is in ICU and a talented horseman’s life and career may be ruined.”

I didn’t ignore anything, I dont see how the mans career as a horseman being ruined is relevant at all. He nearly killed a woman, you can’t be serious. IF he is guilty, I hope he rots in jail. IF he is innocent, the truth will come out.

[x-halt-salute]

@Marla 100

Looks like Barisone will be staying in jail until the case is disposed of legally. He had his hearing this morning and will not be given bail.
Kanarek is still in ICU due to her injuries.
Judge says M. Barisone will remain in jail until his case is heard.

https://www.nj.com/morris/2019/08/ac…n-he-shot.html

No surprise there. As I’ve mentioned before, NJ law all but guarantees this outcome.

[roseymare]

@Angela Freda

Very different facts and sequence of events in this telling.
If the source of this is the source of the other articles… why are they telling a very different story than the other telling of it?
In one accounting, MB shot at the fiance while fiance was in the house… this new version is meaningfully different. And to me the discrepancy is the real problem, more than which location the fiance was during the incident.

From the bio on the author… seriously…
"She’s an experienced generalist with a passion for lifestyle, geek news, pop culture, and true crime. "

Most journalists include proofread in their experience.
And yes, that is actual mocking.

Generalist and journalist are antonyms in my mind. LOL

[Maude]

@staceyk

So, I have not seen this shared yet: https://www.yourtango.com/2019327140/who-lauren-kanarek-new-details-woman-who-called-911-herself-identify-her-assailant

OMG…the drama here. If this were not such a serious situation this would be laughable.