Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[Sticky_Situation]

@Marla 100

please tell us what bsc is.

Bat sh*t crazy.

[catzndogz22]

@Marla 100

please tell us what bsc is.

Batshit Crazy

[Marla_100]

@trubandloki

My guess is bsc = Bat $hit Crazy.

thanks!! now I’ll go back and read for comprehension.:yes:

[subk]

@Marla 100

please tell us what bsc is.

bsc = batshit crazy (flying change is more circumspect than I)

[Sticky_Situation]

@enjoytheride

If someone were living in your home and you were forced to live in your barn lounge room, I think that would be pretty much a ruining.

I was gobsmacked when their lawyer acted liked the fiance moving back into Barisones home to take care of Laurens horses was some sort of noble cause.

I agree re: the fiancé “needing to take care of the horses.” I’m pretty sure I rolled my eyes out loud at that one. As if there is nobody else on the property qualified to throw some hay and muck some stalls.

But then again, if she called ICE on his employees, maybe there isn’t …

[ToN_Farm]

@Sparrowette

You don’t know what you would do until you find yourself in that position. Those words are the truth, no matter how loud, or often you cry “NO!!!”.

Don’t try to tell me what I would and would not do. For one thing, I don’t own a gun nor would I ever own a gun. Therefore, I would never shoot anyone. If I had the inclination, I could think of various ways he could have gotten that person out. Some would have maybe been illegal, but not worthy of a jail sentence.

Many of the opinions on this thread stem from intense dislike (even hatred) of the victim.

[JustTheTicket]

@enjoytheride

If someone were living in your home and you were forced to live in your barn lounge room, I think that would be pretty much a ruining.

I was gobsmacked when their lawyer acted liked the fiance moving back into Barisones home to take care of Laurens horses was some sort of noble cause.

For what it’s worth though, that barn lounge is nicer than my apartment. He wasn’t slumming it. Of course, it’s hard to enjoy it when you have an actual house you can’t live in.

[dudleyc]

@Core6430

I hope they put MB on suicide watch.

Because it worked so well for Epstein

[Marla_100]

x

[roseymare]

It is all very odd but I just don’t think one can rule out that the allegations of abuse are false. It certainly could have been the tipping point either way- false or truee

[TheMoo]

Am I the only one stuck on the fact that there was no contract, only a verbal agreement?

[Sticky_Situation]

I mean, most horse people have some degree of BSC in them but having read LK’s Facebook page, she’s far above and beyond the garden variety crazy horse chick. I honestly felt very sympathetic toward her upon initially reading about what happened … it was only after reading her own comments she wrote that I began to wonder if maybe there was a chance it was self defense on MB’s part. I am no psychiatrist, but those posts and comments were dripping with Cluster B traits.

I do think that it’s almost certain, with the information that is out so far, that he is guilty. But just because LK didn’t deserve to be shot doesn’t make her innocent of any wrongdoing.

[Mardi]

@Jealoushe

which makes me wonder about MBs financial situation if he can not afford a better lawyer.

I have a feeling he’ll be provided with top lawyer(s) in the weeks to come.

[subk]

@ToN Farm

Don’t try to tell me what I would and would not do. For one thing, I don’t own a gun nor would I ever own a gun. Therefore, I would never shoot anyone. If I had the inclination, I could think of various ways he could have gotten that person out. Some would have maybe been illegal, but not worthy of a jail sentence.

Many of the opinions on this thread stem from intense dislike (even hatred) of the victim.

Which victim?

For the record I’ve never heard of either one of them before yesterday. I have been in horse sports long enough and at a high enough level to understand the work and commitment it takes to have the kind of success he’s had while at the same time having a personal understanding that it doesn’t mean you have an admirable character. But because her facebook activity is so horrifying I have a hard time not finding some sympathy for him. For her? I struggle, but I do think I can find some based on my suspicion that she’s mentally ill.

But yes, it’s true that I typically despise other women who use facebook they way she has…but then again I’m and equal opportunity despiser–I despise men that do it too.

[Maude]

@subk

For some reason unbeknownst to me I have waded through this entire thread, so by rights I think I get to give my perspective on how it might have all gone down. But I’m going to do in in a “Time to Kill” manner. Let me tell you a story:

There is a very accomplished and successful WOMAN who is a rider and trainer and runs a prominent training facility. She has a host of clients including a MAN who she’s recently had some business disagreements with whom she realizes it’s time to cut ties with. Upon the initial discussion as to how that all needs to happen he goes ballistic and is verbally abusive to her, then he goes on social media and begins to denigrate her and make threats of ruining her. She confronts him again and tells him that he is living on her property and she no longer feels safe so he needs to find somewhere else to live. He refuses, then escalates the threats on social media to include discussing his access to guns. She does some searching on social media and discovers that this behavior is a pattern for him and he has a disturbing and violent background.

At this point he has created a frightening environment for her family, her employees and her other clients as it is becoming more and more obvious that he is very unstable. Since he still will not leave her property she begins the legal process of evicting him and eviction signs get posted on the property. This man is now threatening to call zoning, ICE, SafeSport, child protection services on face book. The police start showing up on her property everyday for a week—either because he has called them on her or she has felt so threatened that she has called them on him. It is now apparent that he is willing to slander her not just on facebook, but lie about her to the police. The police are being completely ineffective in helping her in this situation because with the crazy things he is telling them they don’t know who to believe.

She lives with her fiancé and his children and she loves them very much and is trying to build a family. But the threats have become so concerning that her finance—justifiably she knows—wants to get his children away from this crazy man. Even though she knows he is right it feels like abandonment that he wants to, needs to, leave her for the sake of his children while she is being a victim of this man’s attacks and abuse. It’s gone way beyond a few nasty words on social media. They compromise because he knows she needs him right now and agree to move with the children into the barn. The legal process for eviction is so slow, but at least she is able to get the Fire Marshall out to confront him. But to no avail.

Living in the barn, she is exhausted and hasn’t slept for days. Her life is crumbling around her. Her business is struggling because clients don’t want to be around this drama and are threatening to leave. Her employees are worried their lives are about to get complicated because even if ICE shows up and they are legal it’s another tangle that has to be fixed that no one wants. Money is tight anyway, and the job market is making it really hard to keep good employees, so there is that much more stress. Her emotional support system is getting pretty shaky because living in the barn is not much of a long term solution and it’s beginning to look like he’s a squatter and not going to leave anytime soon.

Then child protective services shows up. This is beyonds threats. This is damaging to these children she loves and devastating to the family she is trying to build. and it is frightening because she doesn’t have any understanding of how this system works and she knows that the children are going to be taken away if not by the government then by her fiancé. He will definitely leave her now—if not out of good sense to get the children out of this crazy man’s clutches, but because it is the most obvious way to respond to this new problem.

She is enraged. She decides to go give him another piece of her mind, but grabs her gun thinking she may need it for self defense since those last internet posts about him having guns and being willing to use them. She marches over there. Only to get in a screaming match and find out that he’s sent a complaint to SafeSport and others. She assumes it’s all true because if he’s crazy enough to sic child protective services on her family then all those other threats are going to be manifested as well. She’s done. He’s effectively destroying everything she cares about so what’s the point and she shoots him. Her life is over anyway because this man has ruined everything—her relationship, her livelihood and her sanity. And no one will help her.

There but for the grace of God go I.

Our legal system is supposed to be blind to gender, but it’s not. Neither are we COTHers. I’ve been around here a long time and been reading some of your posts for years—if the genders were reversed I’m positive some of you would be singing a different song. Of course, in reality MB surely made some mistakes dealing with this situation prior to the shooting that we don’t know about—but the bullying by LK? That’s documented and real. If the genders were reversed I suspect the help, advice and concern he was getting from law enforcement and other government officials would have been more helpful.

Here’s what I think happens. Either there is a plea deal where he pleads to a felony but gets a light sentence—because LK is certifiably batshit crazy–or it goes to court where the case will be made that LK is certifiably batshit crazy. If I’m on the jury I vote that he is guilty, but that this was a crime of passion with provocation and knock it down to the lowest charge I can with the least amount of prison time possible. Being a convicted felon he still looses his livelihood and life as he knew it. She recovers with a life long disability and hopefully someone gets her the mental healthcare she needs.

You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Maybe his defense attorney needs to hire you.

[clanter]

@enjoytheride

I was gobsmacked when their lawyer acted liked the fiance moving back into Barisones home to take care of Laurens horses was some sort of noble cause.

that was not an attorney representing her but an assistant district attorney

and believe me even they can be completely incorrect in their analogous of evidence

[Mardi]

@LexInVA

I believe LK’s horses have been removed from the property as evidence or will be soon. The county apparently has a trailer for use with the Park Police mounted patrol unit that was reported to be at the farm after the incident, with all the other law enforcement assets present.

So LK’s attorney was mistaken yesterday when he said RG had returned to the property, and was taking care of the horses ? Sounds like the horses had already left.

[flyingchange]

Well, it depends on your definition of bsc. Yeah, it’s cute to say most horse people are a little (or a lot) “crazy.” That’s different from bsc. To me, bsc is reserved for those who have a (usually undiagnosed and/or untreated) mental illness that causes them to be extremely difficult or impossible to work with or be around by most others who are trying to navigate the world using the same set of rules. These people operate by a different set of “rules.” Or they have no rules to begin with. So no, I don’t agree that all horse people are bsc. I’ve seen bsc. Lived it. Know it well. Survived it. Terrified of it. Have a pretty keen radar now for it and when I see someone with these traits, I try to may a wide, wide berth. If you haven’t been there, you just probably don’t understand what it does to you to become the target of this kind of person’s wrath. Most people who are or have worked professionally in the horse world know what I am talking about. Those who haven’t are extremely rare. If indeed, all of her mental pistons are firing normally, and she did all that she did leading up to this incident - including refusing to leave his property and then sticking CPS on him - then, as subk said it comes down to her just being a hideous *itch. And yeah, I had never heard of MB or LK before this incident. And people who know me in real life know that I am not one to “worship” trainer or “hate women.”

As far as the argument that you would never shoot someone because you don’t own a gun? That argument really does not work. If someone were coming at you (or someone you loved ) with a gun, and you managed to get it away from that person or get entangled with him/her, you might very well find yourself in that position. Never say never until you have walked in another’s shoes.

[hut-ho78]

Please remember their loved ones may be reading these posts and write as though speaking to them. I find this tragic. She is in intensive care and he may have ruined his life and maybe hers. The boyfriend had a good moment tackling him. I’ve attached an example of a crime of passion no billed to the grand jury. Note that the father stopped beating him and tried to save his life after the initial response. MB could have started formal eviction procedures and eventually had LE move them out. Troubling. We don’t know what happened. It will come out in court. Someone asked what upset her. On FB she said all fees were raised after she moved all her horses there and she felt used. Anyone boarding for a while knows that barn fees go up and you can stay and pay or go but I’ve never seen a barn raise fees without lots of barn drama. Haven’t seen anyone shot over that. I feel for the kids most of all. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews…%3fid=16612071

[LexInVA]

@Mardi

So LK’s lawyer was mistaken yesterday when he said RG had returned to the property, and was taking care of the horses ? Sounds like the horses had already left.

Given RG’s firmly established long-term and recent criminal history in that town - which includes violent crimes, drug offenses, and property crimes - and the surrounding communities, I would assume that it isn’t likely that they would have let him go back there without supervision, especially if there’s already staff present to take care of the animals and most likely Barisone has some friends who would step in and take care of his horses and the property if the people working there had somehow stopped turning up. I find it more likely that the 2-3 LK horses were seized and relocated as evidence or moved to a third-party stable to ensure their safety from any potential reprisal from MB employees and LK/RG simply forgot or didn’t know that fact, so it was not communicated to their representative at the hearing.