Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[Angela_Freda]

@Joanne

What did you expect he would do?

I took th to show how very far she reached for help, even reaching out to people who themselves are bullies

[TMares]

@MeisterMagnolia

I’m sorry to say I was thinking the same thing. How many times do people have to write: Stop posting; report it to his attorney, etc. - yet she keeps ignoring this. Odd.

If she’s got a legitimate grievance, coupled with perhaps a poor support system, she’s lashing out and acting badly. So if that’s accurate or close, it’s not odd at all.

[TMares]

@Joanne

What did you expect he would do?

Ask Kanye?

[Scribbler]

@cheval convert

The problem is, there was nothing civil about this situation. And once you threaten the mental and emotional health of children, the rational thought process can leave the room pretty quickly. I am pretty easy going and it takes a lot to make me angry, but threaten my kids and a whole other person will show up. (Mama bear instincts kick into gear.) (And FTR, I would not shoot someone unless the kids were in immediate physical danger, then all bets are off.)

I agree that this situation is “uncivil” in the everyday sense of the word.

But by “civil,” I meant the situation before it escalated to an actual criminal situation, which appears to have been on the afternoon of the Wednesday. A “civil” situation can involve alot of very uncivil behavior. But in general it is the kind of interpersonal or business dispute that the police are not going to involve themselves in until you get a court order.

Some examples of problems requiring court orders would involve evictions, restraining orders, disputes over payments, disputes over horse ownership.

For instance if you have horse on free lease, loan, or gift, but no bill of sale or contract in place, and the owners of the horse spirit it away in the night, and the you go to the police (or social media) saying “help, pony has been stolen!”, the police will say: get a court order about this before we act. If you get into a screaming fight with your tenant about damages or late rent the police won’t act until you have an eviction notice. If your trainer or your client owes you thousands of dollars and you are slagging each other online about this, and screaming in the barn, and the trainer locks up the horse or the client absconds at midnight with horse, you still need to go to small claims court and get a ruling. Etc.

The police can only intervene if (a) a criminal law is being broken or (b) there is a court order in place for eviction, restraining order, etc.

If the owners of your borrowed horse manage to punch you out, smash into your truck, steal your saddle, in the process, and you have proof, then those are criminal acts. Maybe there are charges for assault, theft, dangerous driving. But the police will not also make them return the horse until there has been a ruling on the ownership. Otherwise they honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. It’s different obviously if a total stranger steals your horse. But if the (former) owner turns up and says “I only loaned them this horse and now I need to take it back,” and you say “You gave me this horse for free!” then honestly who do the police believe? That is a civil situation, and the claims need to be sorted out elsewhere.

[Maude]

Girl Joey, watch your back. You never know what these people might be capable of

[caffeinated]

@mishmash

I gotta say it- if you reached out to Trump it pretty much makes me suspicious of everything else you say. If you had legit info, I would think MB s attorney would be asking you to keep your mouth shut. Or are you a troll trying to sway opinion on social media?

Joey has been through a lot of pain and I think has a deep need for some sort of justice for the additional agony she was put through by LK. I believe she’s legit, as we have mutual friends and so I’ve read much of her story in other places. Right now I think she’s screaming into the wind largely out of pent up fury, which is understandable given the horrific things that were said and sent to her.

That said - I don’t think it will do any good, or get Joey any measure of justice, to go to the media or even MB’s lawyer. I don’t think it will be any sort of admissible evidence in the case.

Joey, all I can say is I wish you much healing. You’ve been through a lot, and I can’t imagine the hurt LK caused you and what kind of old wounds that opened.

[jetsmom]

Does anyone know where fiance went when he was reported missing in 2017? And how long he was missing for? I tried googling it and found the missing flyers, but nothing else. I don’t think it pertains to case, but just wondering…

[miss_machine]

@Girl Joey

I’ve already sent MANY messages to Michael Barisones attorney, the detective on the case, and most news stations, I went as far as contacting President Donald Trump. I can’t begin to tell you all I have shared. This BULLY, tortured me for four years. I saved everything and I mean every thing I shared all of it already . It is physically torturing me that this man Michael Barisone, is sitting in prison when he desperately reached out to me a week prior to this shooting . Lauren was a rich, spoiled, crazy lunatic that tortured so many people… she literally had me in tears nightly for four years. I am going to share the story of my 3 year old that passed away. I am also going to share with you HER sick, torturing, in sane messages . His defense team has SO much to prove how desperate this Ex Olympian was. How this sick girl pushed and pushed and pushed. I know for a fact she can drive somebody mentally insane. This is just one of the MANY messages from Michael Barisone “I I don’t know you, but I feel for you. These people are the scum bags of the earth “. That was just one of the many messages I received from him and his girlfriend seeking help desperately to get these two .insane people off their farm. I am just asking anyone else who can help to send me a message. [edit] I’m not worried because all the messages, years of torture, insane posts she put on my Facebook wall, etc have already been given to EVERYONE involved in investigating.

I was suspicious when I read your hyper-inflated remarks and your opinions seemingly based on no factual proof and totally in relevant to this message board, I.E LK being a heroine addict and an insane, “upscale escort,” etc. But then I saw your comment to Susan Whacko-witch on FB about reaching out to Trump regarding the situation (which is insane) and I’ve realized that you are very much biased and loaded with your own crazy, hidden agenda.

If you have factual, relevant information, alert the police. Smearing a victim’s name on COTH is very sad. Be productive, this situation is insane enough.

[Scribbler]

@miss machine

I was suspicious when I read your hyper-inflated remarks and your opinions seemingly based on no factual proof and totally in relevant to this message board, I.E LK being a heroine addict and an insane, “upscale escort,” etc. But then I saw your comment to Susan Whacko-witch on FB about reaching out to Trump regarding the situation (which is insane) and I’ve realized that you are very much biased and loaded with your own crazy, hidden agenda.

If you have factual, relevant information, alert the police. Smearing a victim’s name on COTH is very sad. Be productive, this situation is insane enough.

Yeah, being in communication with SW tends to lower one’s credibility. Since SW has many spooky similarities to LK, as I noted in a previous post.

On the other hand it’s perfectly possible for someone to be over-the-top and legitimately bullied, or to be bullied precisely because they are fragile and an easy target for the bully.

[haleybot]

@jetsmom

Does anyone know where fiance went when he was reported missing in 2017? And how long he was missing for? I tried googling it and found the missing flyers, but nothing else. I don’t think it pertains to case, but just wondering…

Yes. I know. He was missing for a week. And I know why. But, in fear of LK’s relentless bullying of me previously I will not disclose the information here. She was relentless in her bullying before…and I also filed criminal charges for cyberbullying against her…hence my previous statement that safe sport had been notified over 18months ago about her. Although MB’s attorney does have all the details. And yes, it does pertain to RG’s state of mind and validity of his statements. It’s just one more thing that LK and RG won’t want known publicly…

[OverandOnward]

Considering that the shooting occurred almost a week & a half ago, and other than the release of the 911 calls there has been little additional public information (hard facts, that is) …

• Haven’t seen anything about bail for Michael Barisone, and curious that he is apparently still in jail. Was bail set for him? If so, was there a reason he hasn’t made bail? Have not noticed this in the online news media, maybe missed it.

• Wondered about an update on LK’s condition?

• Could there be ongoing safety issues that are making an information blackout seem like a good idea? As in, this ‘war’ is not yet over and there are combatants still at large?

• Interesting that law enforcement hasn’t given formal statements updating the situation. Although objectively this does not seem necessary - does the public really need to know? - in fact, LE often finds that it is better if they provide the facts to inform the public. Because otherwise people make up their own speculative explanations, and sometimes do weird things with what they think happened, and/or with all of the rumor and gossip.

• Interesting that Barisone’s attorney hasn’t been in front of the media steering the narrative in his client’s favor. Although the attorney that spoke for him initially does not seem like the best choice for that job, given the things he said that are likely to get his client crucified in the court of public opinion.

• And interesting that LK & RG haven’t had an attorney speaking to the media on their behalf, telling a story they would like to have out in the public domain. Assuming that heavy lawsuits are coming, and it will be in their interest to frame the story in their own favor, in the public mind.

At this point, more is not known about this case than is know, as far as the public is concerned, almost 2 weeks after the shooting. Not the typical news media situation after such a dramatic and life-threatening incident, given that the media definitely seems interested in covering it.

[skydy]

These people are not the superstars you seem to think they are.

The general public doesn’t know M. Barisone from Adam, except for his appearance on the Colbert show, which was many years ago and they sure don’t know the woman that he shot. I wouldn’t be looking for press conferences.

Responding to a post which I neglected to quote…

[skydy]

@OverandOnward

Considering that the shooting occurred almost a week & a half ago, and other than the release of the 911 calls there has been little additional public information (hard facts, that is) …

• Haven’t seen anything about bail for Michael Barisone, and curious that he is apparently still in jail. Was bail set for him? If so, was there a reason he hasn’t made bail? Have not noticed this in the online news media, maybe missed it.

• Wondered about an update on LK’s condition?

• Could there be ongoing safety issues that are making an information blackout seem like a good idea? As in, this ‘war’ is not yet over and there are combatants still at large?

• Interesting that law enforcement hasn’t given formal statements updating the situation. Although objectively this does not seem necessary - does the public really need to know? - in fact, LE often finds that it is better if they provide the facts to inform the public. Because otherwise people make up their own speculative explanations, and sometimes do weird things with what they think happened, and/or with all of the rumor and gossip.

• Interesting that Barisone’s attorney hasn’t been in front of the media steering the narrative in his client’s favor. Although the attorney that spoke for him initially does not seem like the best choice for that job, given the things he said that are likely to get his client crucified in the court of public opinion.

• And interesting that LK & RG haven’t had an attorney speaking to the media on their behalf, telling a story they would like to have out in the public domain. Assuming that heavy lawsuits are coming, and it will be in their interest to frame the story in their own favor, in the public mind.

At this point, more is not known about this case than is know, as far as the public is concerned, almost 2 weeks after the shooting. Not the typical news media situation after such a dramatic and life-threatening incident, given that the media definitely seems interested in covering it.

[Trakehners_Arabs]

@OverandOnward

Considering that the shooting occurred almost a week & a half ago, and other than the release of the 911 calls there has been little additional public information (hard facts, that is) …

• Haven’t seen anything about bail for Michael Barisone, and curious that he is apparently still in jail. Was bail set for him? If so, was there a reason he hasn’t made bail? Have not noticed this in the online news media, maybe missed it.

• Wondered about an update on LK’s condition?

• Could there be ongoing safety issues that are making an information blackout seem like a good idea? As in, this ‘war’ is not yet over and there are combatants still at large?

• Interesting that law enforcement hasn’t given formal statements updating the situation. Although objectively this does not seem necessary - does the public really need to know? - in fact, LE often finds that it is better if they provide the facts to inform the public. Because otherwise people make up their own speculative explanations, and sometimes do weird things with what they think happened, and/or with all of the rumor and gossip.

• Interesting that Barisone’s attorney hasn’t been in front of the media steering the narrative in his client’s favor. Although the attorney that spoke for him initially does not seem like the best choice for that job, given the things he said that are likely to get his client crucified in the court of public opinion.

• And interesting that LK & RG haven’t had an attorney speaking to the media on their behalf, telling a story they would like to have out in the public domain. Assuming that heavy lawsuits are coming, and it will be in their interest to frame the story in their own favor, in the public mind.

At this point, more is not known about this case than is know, as far as the public is concerned, almost 2 weeks after the shooting. Not the typical news media situation after such a dramatic and life-threatening incident, given that the media definitely seems interested in covering it.

The court appearance last week was to determine whether he’d be able to be released on bail. The judge thought he might be a danger to himself and others, so he will be held in Morris Co. jail without bail. In NJ is is very rare to release people on bail when accused of violent crimes.

[Knights_Mom]

@Girl Joey

I’ve already sent MANY messages to Michael Barisones attorney, the detective on the case, and most news stations, I went as far as contacting President Donald Trump. I can’t begin to tell you all I have shared. This BULLY, tortured me for four years. I saved everything and I mean every thing I shared all of it already . It is physically torturing me that this man Michael Barisone, is sitting in prison when he desperately reached out to me a week prior to this shooting . Lauren was a rich, spoiled, crazy lunatic that tortured so many people… she literally had me in tears nightly for four years. I am going to share the story of my 3 year old that passed away. I am also going to share with you HER sick, torturing, in sane messages . His defense team has SO much to prove how desperate this Ex Olympian was. How this sick girl pushed and pushed and pushed. I know for a fact she can drive somebody mentally insane. This is just one of the MANY messages from Michael Barisone “I I don’t know you, but I feel for you. These people are the scum bags of the earth “. That was just one of the many messages I received from him and his girlfriend seeking help desperately to get these two .insane people off their farm. I am just asking anyone else who can help to send me a message. I have proof she was an upscale escort & Heroine addict I’m not worried because all the messages, years of torture, insane posts she put on my Facebook wall, etc have already been given to EVERYONE involved in investigating.

Please do not share information here. By all means placate your emotional tidal wave by writing it out in book format - which one day may be handy for making a documentary - but PLEASE keep it wrapped up at this time.

By all means speak to investigators and the defense attorney but the rest of us rubes don’t need to know and you wouldn’t want to be charged yourself with interfering with an ongoing investigation.

If you feel like you’re going to explode try and find a safe, confidential resource to spew to like a therapist.

Please try and find at least a little peace.

[Scribbler]

@Trakehners&Arabs

The court appearance last week was to determine whether he’d be able to be released on bail. The judge thought he might be a danger to himself and others, so he will be held in Morris Co. jail without bail. In NJ is is very rare to release people on bail when accused of violent crimes.

Yes you usually don’t hear much details about a lot of assault or murder cases until they go to trial, at least cases like these. Interpersonal dispute on private property, no mystery about general facts, no threat to public, no manhunt for the killer, and both parties behaving badly so no incentive for friends of either party to loudly declare their innocence.

If or when it goes to trial is when the details get set out.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

@x-halt-salute

You’ve made assumptions about posters’ politics. And their gender biases/misogyny. Which are patently wrong for at least some of the posters you’re trying to vilify. Consider for a moment that your assumptions about other posters’ personal beliefs/intuitions about guilt in this case might also be off base in at least some cases. Being curious about what happened does not entail a belief that the outcome was determined entirely by the woman’s actions, or that MB’s actions were justifiable, or in any way acceptable. Adjust your resolution and you’ll see that when you’re not looking for black and white guilt and innocence, it’s possible to entertain a theory without committing to a position about any individual’s responsibility. And that it’s possible to wonder about the things we don’t know while waiting for the justice system to do the hard work of determining what happened and where the responsibility lies.

Casting these kinds of aspersions about the motives, beliefs, political views, and values of other posters isn’t really more noble than asking questions about the actions, motives, and public personae of the individuals involved in the incident under discussion.

Funny, that.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

@exploding pony

I’m certainly not saying anything like that. What I am saying is that the woman appears to be very unstable and manipulative based on her FB posts and criminal history.

Reading her FB posts made me cringe, because I’ve seen a few boarders become unhinged and very dangerous, who behaved in a similar manner.

One of the local trainers evacuated all her horses from a barn for a month because another boarder threw a punch at her. The barn owners had to go through the eviction process to get the boarder out and it took quite some time and multiple visits from the sheriff.

Had the trainer not left the property immediately, with all horses and clients, it could have gone down like this. In this case the trainer did not own the barn.

So the point that I was making is that you have a very explosive situation here. Her public posts were not those of a reasonable, rationale person behaving appropriately.

I’m friends with her on FB and have messaged with her and had a very different read on the situation while she was posting.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

@Silverbridge

That’s a good one. Because I notice something exists, and because I’m able to cite it when challenged to, I think it’s a thesis? No. I think it’s disgusting. And as I said, creepy.

Is the COTH dressage forum so dear in many people’s hearts and daily routines that they cannot stand to accept that there’s been victim blaming as part of the discussion? Is noting that the discussion has taken some ugly turns somehow an insult to every other poster commenting? Would I be a more respectable and respectful poster by aligning with those who choose not to notice?

“Some people here have blamed the victim or implied she deserved what she got.” What a bizarre thing to take personally.

This.

”if I don’t believe it’s happening (and choose to ostrich), then it isn’t happening.” Kind of a theme in our world right now.

[MeisterMagnolia]

@haleybot

Yes. I know. He was missing for a week. And I know why. But, in fear of LK’s relentless bullying of me previously I will not disclose the information here. She was relentless in her bullying before…and I also filed criminal charges for cyberbullying against her…hence my previous statement that safe sport had been notified over 18months ago about her. Although MB’s attorney does have all the details. And yes, it does pertain to RG’s state of mind and validity of his statements. It’s just one more thing that LK and RG won’t want known publicly…

So is this not-ostriching? Is this victim-blaming? Is this person brave, lying, angry or all of the above? Why should we discount and ignore their claims? The longer this discussion goes on, the more people seem to gather the confidence to speak out.