So is it legal in NJ to shoot someone who you believe to be stalking you?
Gosh, I am late to the party, forgive me. Which immediately made me think of this from Alice in Wonderland:
âBut I donât want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
âOh, you canât help that,â said the Cat: âweâre all mad here. Iâm mad. Youâre mad.â
âHow do you know Iâm mad?â said Alice.
âYou must be,â said the Cat, "or you wouldnât have come here.âÂ
ââą Lewis Carroll
Someone seems to be obsessed with me being the poster who has started a couple of threads about this topic. I think itâs simply the luck of the draw. I certainly am not obsessed with Lauren Kanarek, but I do find the situation and her posts fascinating. If she didnât constantly add to the fascination, no one would watch. But, of course, that IS what she wants isnât it? Attention? Obviously others are fascinated as well with over 39,000 hits on this thread alone. I havenât looked at the FB Chronicle post in several days because it became absolutely insane with the immature, 6th-grade level posts.
As far as La-LaPopriderâs most recent posts on this thread, I have one word: YAWN. :ambivalence::ambivalence::nonchalance::nonchalance:
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So barn hours compared to recording showing they were in the barn during closed hours = evidence ofâŠ
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I think the point that is trying to be made is that the theory that it is a public space so there is no assumption of privacy can not be used if she was recording them at a time when they should not have been in the barn.
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yes of course it is
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In my workplace we know our employer has every right to monitor our email, internet activity, watch our movements on CCTV, track when we enter the building, etc. That doesnât give us (employees or contractors) the right to do the same to other employees, contractors, visitors, or our supervisors willy-nilly.
So I still fail to see how Kanarek and Goodwin could record others without their knowledge and permission.
Heck, there are privacy concerns about the Ring cameras and last-30 second recordings on vehicles (Tesla and its âblack boxâ was recently discussed in local media) due to all the cameras with which they are equipped.
ETA interesting article about Tesla vehicle and privacy. Creepy imo.
https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-surveillance-detection-scout/
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If nothing else, this whole situation makes me look back at my days working at a boarding stable and realize that the troublesome boarders I dealt with (you know, the ones who demand their horseâs feed be changed every time they have a less than stellar ride, or complain because the horses were turned out a little earlier than usual and now they have to walk all the way out to the pasture to catch Dobbin, or pry into everyone elseâs business and spread rumors) didnât even scratch the surface of nightmare clients.
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Actually, it was a rhetorical question.
Yessss! I wish I could elaborate, but, I think when the content of this ânew contract,â is revealed⊠(attempted to force us to sign it two - maybe 3 -days prior to the shooting) that will be the âWOW, New development,â topic for a forum & National/International news. Chilling to the bone in hindsight. Especially, bc, when the officer who responded to the call told me what it said, I asked, âDoes he think If we sign this he can like⊠shoot us & kill us & he wouldnât be held liable for our deaths.â The officer said, (something to the affect of) âIf he thinks that, he must really think cops & courts are stupid. Of course he canât shoot you or kill you & say âbut they signed a contract agreeing that I am not liable for any injuries caused to them!â Oh⊠how I wish I could share the full contents of this new contract he tried to bully us into signing, before removing the wooden bars & HIMSELF blocking all entrances into the barn - by calling the police. Again, attempting to use the police as a recourse to solve what was already explained to him as being a civil dispute. Yet⊠he called & called. This is just one of the very, very many ways this man bullies people when no one asks, âhow high,â when HE says âjump.â And, yet another way this criminal used (Tried to use) a system, in order to ensure everyone around him, including us, would âcomprehend clearly,â HE was the person in power. Since the referred to Himself as âthe big bully/the bigger bully,â on numerous occasions during our time thereâŠâ Power imbalance,â is precisely what this man lived for⊠Its evident in the public texts shared by âgirl Joey,â in an exchange between she & MB (man she wouldâve never heard of, without his gf, MH, scouring the internet to locate someone- anyone- Iâd had a verbal dispute with online) - where he clearly spells out for her- âI am a pretty big deal in Olympic horse sports, Iâve been to four Olympics. I called the CEO of SafeSport - know him well. Called the chief lawyer at USEF⊠know her well too.âÂ
(in short, the text exchanges were meant to indisputably imply - âI can do whatever I want & get away with it, Iâm not at ALL concerned with any reports made against me.âÂ)
This would seem to be a valid thought by him , seeing as though he was under investigation by SafeSport in September of 2018 after a report was made against him & eventually, blown off. This time they took it seriously & probably wish theyâd taken the September 2018 report a bit more seriously. (I wasnât even aware someone else had reported him until after the shooting.) However, Iâd bet money there was a SERIOUS power imbalance there ⊠as I have a pretty good idea of who reported him & their reason. Iâd never reveal my thoughts on that though⊠since it seems victim blaming/shaming is a contagious disease. 
(at least for some.)
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âI wish I could elaborate,â followed by a 14 billion word elaboration.
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QFP
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Most intelligent people would have left such a horrible situation unless they owned (via an LLC partnership) the property they were living on! Same old, same old. Always someone elseâs fault and always excuses. Fascinating isnât it?
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Agreed. It is a gem. And true, too. Letâs not forget, the distinction here is, these are not âdefense attorneys.â I am one of the plaintiffs in both cases. Not the defendant. The defendant is the man who attempted to murder two people in cold blood, in the middle of the day.
Why do you insist on coming here and trying to get people on your side? Do you not realize that you are literally giving the defense more ammunition? Like all the posts of your Facebook pageâŠmore nonsense. You really cannot stand NOT being the center of attention. Such a sad situation that you continue to prove how narcissistic you are.
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Thatâs not an âinconsistency.â Review my account of the day in question. It clearly states, âwhen I saw MB pull up in his truck, I ran inside to get/tell Rob.â So⊠yes. Had we not opened the door to see what he wanted⊠who knows. But⊠we did. That all you got? Must be, or youâd have found an actual âinconsistency,â of which there are none.
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On the contrary. I think she is extremely bright. She just has a hypervigilent defensiveness in response to criticism.
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Hmmm. Good to know. Seems like youâre part of the âhardly,â crowd. Iâm confused. Why would anyone use a fake name on FACEBOOK? Kind of defeats the purpose. Unless, your âpurpose,â is to troll &/or hide behind yet another âscreen name,â to cowardly say things & not be held accountable for saying them. Or, to creepily stalk people who would otherwise block you- if they knew who it was really, aiming to gain access to content which would otherwise be unavailable to you. Sorry⊠but thatâs just creepy. IMO, of course.
it looks like they may have joint ownership of a horse?
And yet⊠I did not begin this thread, did I? If you believe Iâm here âtrying to get people on my side,â - reevaluate. The whole truth WILL come out. When it does, those who have been fed lies from MB, MH & JH⊠will silently feel very foolish. But, thanks for your opinion, Angel. Noted!
Nope. âPartners are only for dancing.â All of my horses are mine. Mine alone.
