Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[MHM]

@YankeeDuchess

Trained Alison Brock. You’re absolutely right.

But would you characterize him as an “Olympian”
himself, given that he was the reserve rider? That was the nature of the ambiguity in my mind.

You did not refer to him as a “quasi Olympic rider.” Or a “quasi Olympian.”

You called him a “quasi Olympic trainer,” when he is, in fact, absolutely an Olympic trainer.

[YankeeDuchess]

@IdahoRider

I am really sorry to hold your feet to the fire, so to speak. But you really can’t make statements using a word, then claim that you didn’t use that word at all and then come back and claim that you didn’t use it to mean what you used it to mean.

And, again, public records are just that…public. The courts and police can’t charge/arrest/cite anyone and not have it be part of the public record. And the public record is just that: public. Which means that it is searchable on a database somewhere. Pay wall? Maybe. But it is still searchable. By the public.
Sheilah

    I believe I understand your position and continue to disagree with it.

[MHM]

@GreenWithEnvy

My Bold.

quasi-
/ˈkwāˌzī,ˈkwäzē/ [LIST=1]

seemingly; apparently but not really. "quasi-American" being partly or almost. "quasicrystalline" [/LIST] Check your facts @YankeeDuchess. Maybe you actually meant LK is a "quasi" USDF Bronze Medalist. Is that what you actually meant. Statements like this really, really piss people off. Regardless what YOU think Barisone has done, he worked and earned his achievements in dressage. There is nothing "quasi" about it.

I love it that I’m no longer the only one driven to quote the dictionary on this thread! :lol:

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess So now we will educate you on Olympic protocol…anyone who is on the Olympic team of any sport and attends the Olympics either as a reserve or participant, marches in the Parade of Olympians, and receives the uniform of that Olympics IS considered an Olympian. At any moment, one of the riders could have dropped out for a variety of reasons and he would have been called to ride immediately. I am sick of this unwarranted bashing of Michael Barisone. Disgraceful and totally unacceptable.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@MHM

I love it that I’m no longer the only one driven to quote the dictionary on this thread! :lol:

I’m pissed. I didn’t mean to take over your responsibilities! :D:D:D

[MorganSercu]

For crying out loud, Lauren said she didn’t call CPS. Everything she says is the truth. QED - she called SS. CPS showed up. They wouldn’t if someone didn’t clutch his/her pearls and wail, “Who will think of the children!?”

Presumably pearl-studded cuff links exist, right? I can more readily imagine RG giving a tinkers’ dam about unrelated kids than Lauren Kanarek after reading what she has written through time. So perhaps Robert G. called CPS. I can see her using him as a cats’-paw.

[YankeeDuchess]

@MHM

You did not refer to him as a “quasi Olympic rider.” Or a “quasi Olympian.”

You called him a “quasi Olympic trainer,” when he is, in fact, absolutely an Olympic trainer.

You are right, he is an Olympic trainer. I was wrong. I apologize. The reason I threw in “quasi” is that I was thinking of this status as an Olympic competitor.

Personally, I am more happy to consider someone who was the reserve rider as a full fledged “Olympian” but I know other posters get really upset if someone overstates their achievements.

[YankeeDuchess]

@MorganSercu

For crying out loud, Lauren said she didn’t call CPS. Everything she says is the truth. QED - she called SS. CPS showed up. They wouldn’t if someone didn’t clutch his/her pearls and wail, “Who will think of the children!?”

Presumably pearl-studded cuff links exist, right? I can more readily imagine RG giving a tinkers’ dam about unrelated kids than Lauren Kanarek after reading what she has written through time. So perhaps Robert G. called CPS. I can see her using him as a cats’-paw.

She contacted SafeSport and admits as much. There is no evidence that she “contacted SafeSport alleging child abuse by MB”, as you asserted. 

 I think lots of people who followed the other thread understand this even if you do not.

[MHM]

@GreenWithEnvy

I’m pissed. I didn’t mean to take over your responsibilities! :D:D:D

No, no. It’s not my own personal dictionary. Quote away! It’s just hilarious that it’s necessary so often in the course of this discussion. :lol:

[MHM]

@YankeeDuchess

She contacted SafeSport and admits as much. There is no evidence that she “contacted SafeSport alleging child abuse by MB”, as you asserted.

Is there evidence she did not?

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

Personally, I am more happy to consider someone who was the reserve rider as a full fledged “Olympian” but I know other posters get really upset if someone overstates their achievements.

NO ONE GETS REALLY UPSET IF THE ACHIEVEMENTS ARE REAL RATHER THAN OVERSTATED AND ARGUED WHEN FACTS SHOW OTHERWISE.

You might want to take a look at LK’s dressage score records, freely available online, and see the actual number of 2nd level classes she’s entered over the past two years or so, and how many she actually rode in instead of scratching or was eliminated. Look at all the various level classes. I’m not sure I’ve ever known of a really serious dressage competitor who enters that many classes and then doesn’t ride them. It’s not just a one time thing…it is constant. Now, that is definitely her business to waste her entry fees like that, so my point is she had many opportunities to have actually earned her Bronze Medal on several occasions but chose not to ride for whatever reason. So, now she apparently has asked for an investigation because MH posted a congratulatory post on FB thinking she’d achieved the goal. I can’t think of anything more ludicrous than to think USEF/USDF will seriously investigate something this ridiculous. But, hey, you believe everything she posts, so have at it.

[YankeeDuchess]

@MHM

Is there evidence she did not?

   She contacted SafeSport. I believe it is SafeSport’s policy to not give out information about reports. So only she and SafeSport would know what it was that she alleged.  

  The absence of evidence that she did not allege child abuse is not remotely the same as saying that there is evidence that she did allege child abuse.

[MHM]

@YankeeDuchess

She contacted SafeSport. I believe it is SafeSport’s policy to not give out information about reports. So only she and SafeSport would know what it was that she alleged.

The absence of evidence that she did not allege child abuse is not remotely the same as saying that there is evidence that she did allege child abuse.

So in other words, you don’t know.

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

NO ONE GETS REALLY UPSET IF THE ACHIEVEMENTS ARE REAL RATHER THAN OVERSTATED AND ARGUED WHEN FACTS SHOW OTHERWISE.

You might want to take a look at LK’s dressage score records, freely available online, and see the actual number of 2nd level classes she’s entered over the past two years or so, and how many she actually rode in instead of scratching or was eliminated. Look at all the various level classes. I’m not sure I’ve ever known of a really serious dressage competitor who enters that many classes and then doesn’t ride them. It’s not just a one time thing…it is constant. Now, that is definitely her business to waste her entry fees like that, so my point is she had many opportunities to have actually earned her Bronze Medal on several occasions but chose not to ride for whatever reason. So, now she apparently has asked for an investigation because MH posted a congratulatory post on FB thinking she’d achieved the goal. I can’t think of anything more ludicrous than to think USEF/USDF will seriously investigate something this ridiculous. But, hey, you believe everything she posts, so have at it.

 You sound upset.

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

She contacted SafeSport. I believe it is SafeSport’s policy to not give out information about reports. So only she and SafeSport would know what it was that she alleged.

The absence of evidence that she did not allege child abuse is not remotely the same as saying that there is evidence that she did allege child abuse.

You are such a super sleuth at this point, please share your hypothesis for CPS being on the property shortly after LK’s call to SS if she didn’t file a false report? You just can’t have it both ways @YankeeDuchess. Who DID call CPS?

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

You sound upset.

Wow…you finally made a correct analysis.

[YankeeDuchess]

@MHM

So in other words, you don’t know.

That’s correct, I don’t know. Neither does
@MorganSercu
Given that no one, other than LK and SS, knows the allegations in her report to SS, I continue to maintain that the assertion that “LK contacted SafeSport alleging child abuse by MB” is an unsubstantiated allegation.

[alibi_18]

@GreenWithEnvy

You are such a super sleuth at this point, please share your hypothesis for CPS being on the property shortly after LK’s call to SS if she didn’t file a false report? You just can’t have it both ways @YankeeDuchess. Who DID call CPS?

MB’s layer says LK called Child services.
LK says she doesn’t recall… :rolleyes:

[GreenWithEnvy]

@YankeeDuchess

That’s correct, I don’t know. Neither does
@MorganSercu
Given that no one, other than LK and SS, knows the allegations in her report to SS, I continue to maintain that the assertion that “LK contacted SafeSport alleging child abuse by MB” is an unsubstantiated allegation.

I ask you again, WHO prompted CPS to arrive at the farm to investigate possible child abuse???

[YankeeDuchess]

@GreenWithEnvy

You are such a super sleuth at this point, please share your hypothesis for CPS being on the property shortly after LK’s call to SS if she didn’t file a false report? You just can’t have it both ways @YankeeDuchess. Who DID call CPS?

I explained my hypothesis on that in the Twist thread. There were several pages of discussion on it.