Barisone Pleads Not Guilty

[WildLittleWren]

@hey101

It is striking to me how much this mirrors the comments of those who have issues with Safesport. Any reasonable person can agree the need for both organizations sadly exist, while acknowledging that there are absolutely awful people out there who will try to abuse the system. And those who get wrongly caught in it are themselves victimized.

Spot on analogy

[Graymaresrule]

@hey101

It is striking to me how much this mirrors the comments of those who have issues with Safesport. Any reasonable person can agree the need for both organizations sadly exist, while acknowledging that there are absolutely awful people out there who will try to abuse the system. And those who get wrongly caught in it are themselves victimized.

Safe Sport can destroy your business, your reputation and that indeed sucks.

CPS can destroy your family.

[iberianfan]

I would differ in that opinion somewhat. There are horror stories of CPS swooping in and removing child/ren from the home based on false in”‹formation. SS, On the other hand, investigates thoroughly, using experienced, trained personnel, before taking permanent action. They even do enough investigation to determine if the accused poses a current threat before issuing a temporary suspension. And, not being able to engage in a sport (even if that means you lose your job) is not as horrific as having your children taken away. Imho.

[IdahoRider]

@iris2006

It’s pretty inconceivable that your horse trainer would kill you. Kick you out and tell people bad things about you? Yes! Kill you? Seems crazy!

Yep. Hard to wrap your head around how a situation could have gone south so badly over the course of 1-3 weeks. I think that if you are kind of a drama queen and familiar with the rise and fall of personal conflict, you expect the course of every conflict to follow that same rise and fall. You might posture (especially if you have an audience), but you don’t really think you could get killed. Or even wounded. It’s not your first rodeo. You’re digging in to wait for the 8 seconds to be over and suddenly you’re freaking shot.

There had to have been clients and boarders at the barn, with a front row seat. I don’t care how low maintenance you are (how far under the radar you travel within your barn’s culture), that level of conflict is going to be noted. I am sure that will all become part of the record if there is a trial.

I am glad nobody was killed. It is tragic that so many lives have been changed forever because of this. Even LK, although alive, will forever be known as “that person”. Nothing is ever going to be the same again. It really is tragic for all concerned.
Sheilah

[cutter99]

@IdahoRider

Yep. Hard to wrap your head around how a situation could have gone south so badly over the course of 1-3 weeks. I think that if you are kind of a drama queen and familiar with the rise and fall of personal conflict, you expect the course of every conflict to follow that same rise and fall. You might posture (especially if you have an audience), but you don’t really think you could get killed. Or even wounded. It’s not your first rodeo. You’re digging in to wait for the 8 seconds to be over and suddenly you’re freaking shot.

There had to have been clients and boarders at the barn, with a front row seat. I don’t care how low maintenance you are (how far under the radar you travel within your barn’s culture), that level of conflict is going to be noted. I am sure that will all become part of the record if there is a trial.

I am glad nobody was killed. It is tragic that so many lives have been changed forever because of this. Even LK, although alive, will forever be known as “that person”. Nothing is ever going to be the same again. It really is tragic for all concerned.
Sheilah

Excellent post!!!

[Graymaresrule]

@WildLittleWren

Spot on analogy

Safe sport can take your job. CPS can take your job and your family and throw you in prison

[MyssMyst]

@Graymaresrule

When my son was in second grade my son told his teacher that he hated me (because I made him go to school) and she reported my family to CPS. It was pretty horriffic and took almost a year to get it straightened out, not to mention a fair amount of money.

They threatened to take my 3 children.

She told CPS that my mother had siezures, which was not true and was irrelevant in any case. She had brain damage from surgery to remove a brain tumor and had aphasia. We finally got it straightened out when I was able to catch her in a lie. She told the psychologist that he was habitually late for school because his mom (me) regularly overslept. Children who were late for school had to be signed in at the office and that never happened.

She was fired.

I’ve also been in these shoes. In my case, I have a son on the autism spectrum. He had an IEP carefully formulated to account for the fact that he has sensory processing issues, and being overstimulated in a traditional classroom environment would cause him to completely melt down. We had arranged in his IEP for that, as well as clear instructions to teachers on how to recognize and handle the overload.

One teacher kept insisting on ignoring these instructions, resulting in repeated meltdowns that could have been avoided if the IEP was followed. There was one VERY memorable incident where we got called to the school because he melted down when said teacher insisted he handle the noise despite the meltdown, and it got… ugly. I threw a fit (after trying to deal with this politely on multiple occasions), and had to keep him out of school for several days until he was back to normal (he’d been repeatedly sent home for sensory overload meltdowns). I was told that as a parent I didn’t know what I was doing and was setting him up for failure as an adult, and since I only had two kids I needed to use HER judgement. You guessed it, we got the call because we weren’t sending our child to school.

In case you’re wondering, I’m NOT a nice person when you mess with my kids. No, these issues aren’t a quick interview and done. In my case, I was fortunate that we’d been working with one of the best child psychologists in the state and he’d had a large hand in formulating that IEP, and we had proof it wasn’t being complied with. We eventually decided to pull him out of school and go the home school route. It was stress that was completey unneccessary and avoidable. Yes, I was LIVID. The school office got some very ugly phone calls, and we had to threaten them with lawyers. Anyone who thinks it’s not a big deal really hasn’t met a person determined to weaponize the system.

[MyssMyst]

@iberianfan

I would differ in that opinion somewhat. There are horror stories of CPS swooping in and removing child/ren from the home based on false in”‹formation. SS, On the other hand, investigates thoroughly, using experienced, trained personnel, before taking permanent action. They even do enough investigation to determine if the accused poses a current threat before issuing a temporary suspension. And, not being able to engage in a sport (even if that means you lose your job) is not as horrific as having your children taken away. Imho.

This exactly. They came out swinging with threats to take my children away from the get-go. It wasn’t an investigate and determine, even though we had very clear documentation about what was happening. It wasn’t even an accusation that we were abusive. It was over getting called by the school to pick up a kid on the autism spectrum having issues with sensory processing and melting down due to the teacher NOT following the IEP, and occasionally the fallout lasting more than one day. He was under regular medical care, was in a child psychiatrist’s office immediately upon red flags coming up, and received every single bit of help the psych recommended. One individual willfully ignored the sensory processing issue, determined to “make him get over it” and set us back horrifically in his development. That teacher faced NO consequences for reporting something that had zero basis, or that resulted from her willful disregard of the IEP and professional medical advice. SHE caused the issue, reported us, and we got to live with the consequences. The missed school was a direct result of sensory processing issue meltdowns triggered by her. Yet somehow she’s the fit teacher and we were the ones threatened with losing it all.

[La-LaPopRider]

@GreenWithEnvy

Originally posted by GreenWithEnvy View Post
This is the closest you’ve come to a feeble explanation. But you “really, really” believed you were in a very dangerous situation. Yeah, you definitely got shot, lots of lives ruined and many people have been morbidly entertained along with lots of lawsuits filed. What a crying shame when so much could have been prevented if only MB/MH/JH/RC had packed up, locked up and fled their property, leaving it in the hands of alleged squatters. Yes, that is exactly what the majority of us would have done (deep sarcasm)…I doubt any of us would have shot someone, but that will likely be a major part of the trial, won’t it?

The entire post except for the last line was “deep sarcasm”. Sorry you missed it. They DIDN’T have reason to leave but YOU did, didn’t you?

This thread has become so ridiculous with recipes, semantics, definitions, LK popping in and out, accusations, misreading of posts, misidentifying who alters are…We ALL have contributed to this mess, myself included. There really are better things to do than give LK the attention she is starved for along with entertaining YD.

Wake me up if there is something huge that has been revealed other than CPS and the gun ownership.

Ta-ta.

YES! Please wake me up also if something regarding CPS is revealed! Like, start a wave of beeping car horns so I’ll know to check this thread! TIA. So kind of you! No need to inform me when someone cracks the federal arrest database on weapons charges arrests. I know that one already. CPS revelations ONLY please!

[La-LaPopRider]

@GreenWithEnvy

I believe this is post 2084 from the big thread and is La-la herself. This post was in the middle of several pages of posts about the gun and who owned it.

Sep. 7, 2019, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by westisbest View Post
“the forums suggests Ruth Cox the barn manager but it was removed so I don’t really know.”

so DH ie crazy desperately trying to be relevant/lost all her fan base wanna be FB famous loser poster is apparently 24/7 watching and lifting comments off this thread now.

La-la:
“I agree.
But, RC was never, ever ever the barn manager. She paid for half of one of MB’s gfs horses. Bc shes his gf, she’s been promised a spot on 2020 team repeatedly- and WEg 2022 if that fails. RC is merely a partial owner who slept on a mattress outside this horse’s stall. They argued constantly about the care, feed, training etc of this horse. Thanks to them, I’ll never go halfsies on a horse purchase.
???”

Sorry… are you suggesting I was posting as two different people? I may have been on heavy, heavy pain meds & other types of “post almost dying by gunfire,” meds- seeing as though this post was less than a week after being released from ICU & I had no idea which end was up, but… I post under my own screen name. If you think I’d have had the energy or time to post as an alter- I guess you’ve been never been shot repeatedly, flatlining twice, put in a coma & waking up with tubes stuffed down your throat & at least 5 other places in your body- realizing, yes… someone actually tried to kill you. Not to mention wondering where in the hell you are & why you can’t speak & why your hands are bound by oven mitts (or something.) Plus, having the immediate thought your fiancée might be dead. (Even though you thought you last saw him alive - just before passing out completely.)

If you actually think creating an alter then- or at anytime is something I’d have the time or desire to do, again, I’d guess you’ve never been almost murdered. Lucky for you. It’s not fun.

[MHM]

@La-LaPopRider

YES! Please wake me up also if something regarding CPS is revealed! Like, start a wave of beeping car horns so I’ll know to check this thread! TIA. So kind of you! No need to inform me when someone cracks the federal arrest database on weapons charges arrests. I know that one already. CPS revelations ONLY please!

@La-LaPopRider

Sorry… are you suggesting I was posting as two different people? I may have been on heavy, heavy pain meds & other types of “post almost dying by gunfire,” meds- seeing as though this post was less than a week after being released from ICU & I had no idea which end was up, but… I post under my own screen name. If you think I’d have had the energy or time to post as an alter- I guess you’ve been never been shot repeatedly, flatlining twice, put in a coma & waking up with tubes stuffed down your throat & at least 5 other places in your body- realizing, yes… someone actually tried to kill you. Not to mention wondering where in the hell you are & why you can’t speak & why your hands are bound by oven mitts (or something.) Plus, having the immediate thought your fiancée might be dead. (Even though you thought you last saw him alive - just before passing out completely.)

If you actually think creating an alter then- or at anytime is something I’d have the time or desire to do, again, I’d guess you’ve never been almost murdered. Lucky for you. It’s not fun.

[La-LaPopRider]

@GreenWithEnvy

This is post 2103 from the big thread. Perhaps this will settle your mind about CPS and LK:

La-LaPopRider
Halfway Bronzed

• Join Date: Apr. 22, 2017
• Posts: 315
• Location: North Carolina

#2103 Sep. 8, 2019, 12:18 AM Originally posted by [B]eggbutt[/B] View Post Yes. They had just left when the incident occurred. Apparently she also called their father and told him the same story she told Child Protective Services.

Maybe you’re unaware of Safe Sports purpose. I was. They’re pretty much only interested in minors. They asked me questions. I told the exact truth. Not that I owe anyone an explanation. As I told SafeSport, I don’t believe mb MEANT to behave in the way he was behaving. He just didn’t know better Bc he doesn’t have kids. SafeSport had a different view. I also told them about the body shaming. Just ask ANY female who has ever been in full training there. Mb is a perv. Also, I NEVER called the father. But… it seems you think you have better info than I do. That’s interesting.

???

In what way exactly does this “clear up CPS?” SafeSport made me aware they mostly deal with minors - making me aware. Still, aside from the constant body shaming- I’ve shared no information whatsoever of the allegations in the report. Only what I told them I saw & heard- none of which I shared with the BB. At least not in that post. Now, where is this CPS call I allegedly admitted to making? Apples. Oranges.

[MHM]

@La-LaPopRider

In what way exactly does this “clear up CPS?” SafeSport made me aware they mostly deal with minors - making me aware. Still, aside from the constant body shaming- I’ve shared no information whatsoever of the allegations in the report. Only what I told them I saw & heard- none of which I shared with the BB. At least not in that post. Now, where is this CPS call I allegedly admitted to making? Apples. Oranges.

[La-LaPopRider]

@GreenWithEnvy

This is post 2103 from the big thread. Perhaps this will settle your mind about CPS and LK:

La-LaPopRider
Halfway Bronzed

• Join Date: Apr. 22, 2017
• Posts: 315
• Location: North Carolina

#2103 Sep. 8, 2019, 12:18 AM Originally posted by [B]eggbutt[/B] View Post Yes. They had just left when the incident occurred. Apparently she also called their father and told him the same story she told Child Protective Services.

Maybe you’re unaware of Safe Sports purpose. I was. They’re pretty much only interested in minors. They asked me questions. I told the exact truth. Not that I owe anyone an explanation. As I told SafeSport, I don’t believe mb MEANT to behave in the way he was behaving. He just didn’t know better Bc he doesn’t have kids. SafeSport had a different view. I also told them about the body shaming. Just ask ANY female who has ever been in full training there. Mb is a perv. Also, I NEVER called the father. But… it seems you think you have better info than I do. That’s interesting.

???

Just thought of something I find interesting. If you were to learn that Joe Shmoe neighbor/friend/associate of MB or MH had called CPS - (not me) - would you be saying Joe Shmoe should take responsibility for getting himself shot (almost) to death? I’d love a written answer.
Tbh- I have no idea why I bothered responding to eggbutt bat all on this matter. She CLEARLY has more info than I do. (Dripping w sarcasm.) She has, however, been a great help in ways she can’t even imagine. Snail mail thank you note to her.

[CanteringCarrot]

@La-LaPopRider

Sorry… are you suggesting I was posting as two different people? I may have been on heavy, heavy pain meds & other types of “post almost dying by gunfire,” meds- seeing as though this post was less than a week after being released from ICU & I had no idea which end was up, but… I post under my own screen name. If you think I’d have had the energy or time to post as an alter- I guess you’ve been never been shot repeatedly, flatlining twice, put in a coma & waking up with tubes stuffed down your throat & at least 5 other places in your body- realizing, yes… someone actually tried to kill you. Not to mention wondering where in the hell you are & why you can’t speak & why your hands are bound by oven mitts (or something.) Plus, having the immediate thought your fiancée might be dead. (Even though you thought you last saw him alive - just before passing out completely.)

If you actually think creating an alter then- or at anytime is something I’d have the time or desire to do, again, I’d guess you’ve never been almost murdered. Lucky for you. It’s not fun.

No. I don’t think that is what this post was suggesting. GWE quoted you to show what was said, by you. Likely to clarify (possibly for westisbest, the other poster in that quote) about RC’s role and what you actually said regarding RC being a stable manager. I didn’t take it as an accusation of you having an alter (and IMO you have no alter on here). To each their own in respect to interpretation, but that’s just what I got out of the post.

”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹

[La-LaPopRider]

@IdahoRider

Yep. Hard to wrap your head around how a situation could have gone south so badly over the course of 1-3 weeks. I think that if you are kind of a drama queen and familiar with the rise and fall of personal conflict, you expect the course of every conflict to follow that same rise and fall. You might posture (especially if you have an audience), but you don’t really think you could get killed. Or even wounded. It’s not your first rodeo. You’re digging in to wait for the 8 seconds to be over and suddenly you’re freaking shot.

There had to have been clients and boarders at the barn, with a front row seat. I don’t care how low maintenance you are (how far under the radar you travel within your barn’s culture), that level of conflict is going to be noted. I am sure that will all become part of the record if there is a trial.

I am glad nobody was killed. It is tragic that so many lives have been changed forever because of this. Even LK, although alive, will forever be known as “that person”. Nothing is ever going to be the same again. It really is tragic for all concerned.
Sheilah

Exactly. And being “that person,” is exactly what MB & especially MH were trying to accomplish. I don’t enjoy drama. At all. There were no boarders (except for the loyal foot soldiers aka working students) who were ever around (to my knowledge) when mb repeatedly called 911. They’re entire plan - no, the majority of their plan was to do exactly what MB promised. “If you ever leave here- you’re Dressage career will be over, trust me.”
Believe it or not, I was the boarder who flew below the radar. I didn’t like going to the barn at all if it was the “busy hours.” If I had to, I was always polite & made conversation etc… I couldn’t think of one person there I could say “I have a problem with this person.”
The bottom line is, (among many other things) MH was unable to get Michael to talk me into “selling,” or “trading,” one of my horses to him so she could have him for herself. She wanted lots of things we weren’t willing to give. And, that’s just MH’s part in it & nowhere near all of it. I WILL always be known as “that girl.” And… it’s unfair. I didn’t ask for this. I didn’t escalate something I had no idea about. They kept us believing everything was just dandy as they pulled disgusting tricks the moment we left the barn. And why??? MH didn’t get her way. I mean… until now. Rather, August 7. She got everything she wanted. Except my horses … bc I lived. She wasn’t expecting that!!! Even the best laid plans… etc, etc…

[La-LaPopRider]

@CanteringCarrot

No. I don’t think that is what this post was suggesting. GWE quoted you to show what was said, by you. Likely to clarify (possibly for westisbest, the other poster in that quote) about RC’s role and what you actually said regarding RC being a stable manager. I didn’t take it as an accusation of you having an alter (and IMO you have no alter on here). To each their own in respect to interpretation, but that’s just what I got out of the post.

”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹”‹

Ahh… thanks. Ok, that makes sense. I may have completely misinterpreted that. It sort of sounded as if I was being accused of writing as westibest - then responding to myself. I definitely see how your theory applies, too. I pretty much remember nothing that either I, nor anyone else posted on that big thread. (Random thought of the day.) Thanks for pointing out the comment by GWE May not have been an accusation.

[CanteringCarrot]

@La-LaPopRider

Exactly. And being “that person,” is exactly what MB & especially MH were trying to accomplish. I don’t enjoy drama. At all. There were no boarders (except for the loyal foot soldiers aka working students) who were ever around (to my knowledge) when mb repeatedly called 911. They’re entire plan - no, the majority of their plan was to do exactly what MB promised. “If you ever leave here- you’re Dressage career will be over, trust me.”
Believe it or not, I was the boarder who flew below the radar. I didn’t like going to the barn at all if it was the “busy hours.” If I had to, I was always polite & made conversation etc… I couldn’t think of one person there I could say “I have a problem with this person.”
The bottom line is, (among many other things) MH was unable to get Michael to talk me into “selling,” or “trading,” one of my horses to him so she could have him for herself. She wanted lots of things we weren’t willing to give. And, that’s just MH’s part in it & nowhere near all of it. I WILL always be known as “that girl.” And… it’s unfair. I didn’t ask for this. I didn’t escalate something I had no idea about. They kept us believing everything was just dandy as they pulled disgusting tricks the moment we left the barn. And why??? MH didn’t get her way. I mean… until now. Rather, August 7. She got everything she wanted. Except my horses … bc I lived. She wasn’t expecting that!!! Even the best laid plans… etc, etc…

Idk, wouldn’t it be easier to just go out and buy or import a warmblood. There’s a lot of them out there. Why kill someone for their horses? I mean if the horses were proven Olympic level athletes that could also clean their own stall, prepare their own feed, and turn themselves in and out. Ok. Maybe…but not really. I find it hard to believe that any horse is worth a human life (this is not saying I don’t believe you, it’s just totally crazy for someone to kill another person for their horses). You’d have to be a very odd and crazy person to think that.

I really don’t know if this whole thing is because of MH and her jealousy because I wasn’t there, don’t know all of the facts, and just don’t know enough in general, but if so, wow.

I don’t know why MH would want your horses so badly? I’m not saying they’re not nice (I don’t know them), but that’s weird. Why yours specifically?

[Mersidoats]

@CanteringCarrot

Idk, wouldn’t it be easier to just go out and buy or import a warmblood. There’s a lot of them out there. Why kill someone for their horses? I mean if the horses were proven Olympic level athletes that could also clean their own stall, prepare their own feed, and turn themselves in and out. Ok. Maybe…but not really. I find it hard to believe that any horse is worth a human life (this is not saying I don’t believe you, it’s just totally crazy for someone to kill another person for their horses). You’d have to be a very odd and crazy person to think that.

I really don’t know if this whole thing is because of MH and her jealousy because I wasn’t there, don’t know all of the facts, and just don’t know enough in general, but if so, wow.

I don’t know why MH would want your horses so badly? I’m not saying they’re not nice (I don’t know them), but that’s weird. Why yours specifically?

This is a rhetorical question mostly - if all of this is true, why hasn’t MH been arrested and indicted as a co-conspirator? Especially if all of this is on recording. Just something that was running through my head as I’m tacking up.

Maybe some prosecutors can enlighten us as to the process of indicting co-conspirators or accessories to attempted murder.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Mersidoats

This is a rhetorical question mostly - if all of this is true, why hasn’t MH been arrested and indicted as a co-conspirator? Especially if all of this is on recording. Just something that was running through my head as I’m tacking up.

Maybe some prosecutors can enlighten us as to the process of indicting co-conspirators or accessories to attempted murder.

Yeah, I don’t know about that one.

Those are some big accusations against MH, so I’d like to think one wouldn’t toss those out there just for the heck of it without an ounce of truth, but who knows at this point.