I’ve been tempted to repost a meme I shared days ago and this gives me a reason to. It really is pigeon chess.
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…well, I wouldn’t say “perfect”…not by a long shot. Obvious subterfuge of the roll-eyes kind, word games, and an attitude of aren’t I clever to fool with nuance. Well they didn’t fool. Just shone a spotlight on the holes of LK’s lies. Silly.
Nope not clever. Obvious. Annoying…tedious…but not perfect.
Edited to add…don’t care who they are in real life or what their masquerade was. The game over.
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Here is one of my favorites:
Sorry, guess again. As a matter of fact go to your nearest casino and bet your house, your life and your children’s lives that no recording devices were taken by RG and LK. Okay, what about JK?
As for the recording devices being illegal…we shall see. Not in the case at hand but with whatever comes after…media, USOPC, SafeSport…who knows?
As an extremely experienced criminal defense lawyer has advised LK and RG…"if you put a recording device in your locker because you were afraid…and that recording device revealed a plot to do you harm…I’ll get that dismissed in 10 minutes! And if the plot to do you harm actually took place…I’ll get that dismissed in 5 minutes." Gosh, I wonder who this attorney is?!
Italics my comment
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I know. And that made me crazy for a few days. Literally and figuratively mean two. different. things.
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Can we discuss drug addiction related issues? I certainly don’t want any junkies in my world. I don’t GAF how much money they have and what they think they are entitled to… when these people come off the suboxone and prove they have kicked the addiction and done the work it takes to stay sober and positively participating in society, then I will cut them a break. But the fact is that recidivism from suboxone is like 92%…and their addiction impacts everything and everyone around them. (This goes for Johnny Depp and Amber Heard too–please shush the both of them!). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5855417/
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I believe that important discussion would be better in another forum - maybe Off Course or Current Events?
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I am eager for the Civil trials to begin. Calling our resident legal eagles, please give us a Dummies for Civil Suit Trials quick overview!
Can the trials begin right away? Does Barisone have to be there? Will they attempt arbitration first? How deep can Barisone’s team go into the mountains of discovery from the criminal trial to present in the Civil Trial? Will the full accounting of the plot to ruin Barisone (as brought up in the criminal trial) be able to be explored and fleshed out in full detail? Will the finances and means of income for LK/RG be brought up in the trial? Will all the Civil trials run simultaneously (will they be combined or all the various cases plod along for years to come)? If tried separately, which trial will go first and how is that decided? Will JK be named in Barisone’s suit as well as LK/RG? Can Barisone refile against the PD for their inaction outside Miranda Rights? So much regarding the failure of the PD was kept out of the Criminal trial.
I sure hope the Civil trial is televised!
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Lots of questions there!
So, the last thing that was filed was that discovery is to begin again 15 days after the criminal trial or by no later than May 22. I’ve already stated that I have concerns about that, in light of MB’s status. Mr D and Mr B aren’t going to jeopardize his mental health evals and subsequent hearings by letting him be subject to depositions and stuff. And you really don’t want him swearing an oath and testifying either in a depo or an affirmation in an interrogatory that could hurt his civil commitment status. Plus, yes, he has to be there as he’s a defendant with a counter-claim.
His counterclaim is absolutely going to delve into the manifesto, and the “Finish The Bastard” plot. Civil suits are far more lenient in what you can dig into. LK, likewise, is going to have her jury-hating lawyer digging up every speck of dirt he can find on MB.
As of this time, I don’t see JK listed in the counterclaim, unless I missed it. And I’m not sure how you can allege that a) he had a duty to MB for something b) he breached that duty and c) that breach caused “injury” to MB. But I am not privy to what all Mr D and Mr B have in their piles of stuff.
The way the suit stands now, it could all be heard at once. Not sure how NJ does things, but it could be like the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard trial. Right now they’re hearing Depp’s case. Then they are moving on to Heard’s. Anywho, unless one of the parties (say, SGF, or RC) moves to have a separate trial, typically it’s all done at once.
If I were in MB’s legal team, I would be very, very cautious about moving forward until more is known about his mental health and his civil commitment status.
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I’m useless here because my former jurisdiction did things piecemeal and trial start to finish could run years. For instance it could be January 2018 and I was filing motions adjourned to July 2019.
But the parts of the case and papers I’m ok with.
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Thank you so much!!!
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You’re welcome.
Ultimately, while I personally would love to know the rest of the story (anyone remember Paul Harvey?) I wouldn’t be surprised if some kind of settlement happened to make all of it go away. MB has bigger things to focus on, like getting well and getting home. Continuing to relive this nightmare may not be in his best interest.
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Yeah but he also wants the truth told. I’m thinking he means the WHOLE truth.
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I agree. I’m just not sure it’s in his best interest. I mean, the man that collapsed at the verdict is in no shape to handle the nastiness of a civil suit. And you know it’s going to be nasty.
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What if some of these things involve fraud or other criminal acts?
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Yup. But he’s survived this much. If he manages to persevere maybe he’s stronger.
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I have no doubt they do. No doubt whatsoever.
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If there were enough proof that JK committed illegal acts that harmed MB, sure. But a) they should be filing police reports and b) JK telling his daughter (hypothetically) (for example) to start recording conversations, isn’t JK deciding where to place recorders, how to manage the recordings, etc. You have to prove, in a civil suit, that he committed the harm. He’s not liable for his daughter’s bad acts necessarily.
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So, what you are saying then, is how he initiated or responded to the emails about what LK told him she and RG were doing is going to be the determining factor?
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And we know from the trial he was on many of the text chains plotting the destruction of MB.
Fascinating.
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If he personally were emailing threats, or texting threats, or there’s recordings of threats to MB, (or stupidly posting a manifesto on FB). But the devil’s going to be in the details of what he actually did, and the fact that he was actively negotiating an exit with MB’s attorney is going to play in his favor. An exit that his daughter decided didn’t meet her needs. That’s on her.
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