MB update

[MHM]

@ekat

@MHM

Not much. That’s why I asked.

Maybe we’ll hear some gas the date gets closer. Or, like @Sdel said, we’ll just get an update after it’s over.

Well, to be fair, it’s nobody else’s business outside of MB and his connections.

It just seems like the whole process is taking a staggeringly long time, even if the August 29th date is correct. More than four months since the verdict, after waiting two and a half years for the trial. Unreal.

[ekat]

@SierraMist

Ekat should know this: there are trial rules of evidence and admissibility in civil court. It’s not a free for all and anything goes

Yes, I do know this.

@SierraMist

You can’t put forth evidence that is unduly prejudicial

Well, technically if its prejudicial value outweighs its probative value, but ok.

@SierraMist

He kept pushing the limits against what was admissible. It wasn’t because the Judge was a meanie or biased. Bilinkas was attempting to introduce prejudicial evidence and theories and breaking rules left and right. Most defense attorneys do this. Bilinkas had no evidence of self defense and that’s why it was dismissed. The Judge did his job.

We’ll have to agree to disagree here.

@SierraMist

The Judge in the civil court will follow the trial rules.

Of course.

@SierraMist

MB can’t come in now and say it’s a miracle, I now remember everything that happened that day and it was self defense! MB and Bilinkas went the route of amnesia and delusions, kept MB out of prison, and now they have to live with that.

Has anyone implied that is a possibility? I mean, personally I don’t think that amnesia and delusions was a “route”, I believe the testimony of Dr Simring and Dr Hassan. So, if it’s real, and he doesn’t remember, he certainly isn’t going to make something up.

All I have said is it is just possible that evidence exists that didn’t make it into the criminal trial but just might make it into the civil trial, in different circumstances with a different judge, that might tip the scale of preponderance of the evidence towards MB. It is certainly not impossible.

[ekat]

@MHM

Well, to be fair, it’s nobody else’s business outside of MB and his connections.

It just seems like the whole process is taking a staggeringly long time, even if the August 29th date is correct. More than four months since the verdict, after waiting two and a half years for the trial. Unreal.

I completely agree with you.

[MHM]

Tangent.

Does anyone know who the center was named for? Was it the designer Ann Klein? I feel like the first name is spelled differently, but I won’t swear to it.

[ekat]

@MHM

Does anyone know who the center was named for? Was it the designer Ann Klein? I feel like the first name is spelled differently, but I won’t swear to it.

The designer has an e on Anne.

Now I’m curious about that too.

Edit: the Wikipedia is interesting.

Ann Klein

Then there’s this:

https://njwomenshistory.org/discover/biographies/ann-klein/

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@ekat

@hut-ho78

I do not know these people. I am a Random Internet Poster. So, no to your questions.

That was not condescending. That would be counter productive to a sharing of information.

Then how can you be so certain as to what you assert?

You really don’t know that alternate imaginary scenarios involving someone else did it offense can’t be used in a criminal trial without evidence backing it up? That is hard to believe.

Explains a lot.

You are still under the mistaken notion that repetition creates reality.

You continue to not recognize or acknowledge that what happened was clear to us, the jury and the YT commenters. You can think you’re right all day long but the truth remains that inevitably a new jury will see through all the tenants lies and escalations too. They will consider the addicts behaviors abhorrent.

You don’t recognize that from the start each juror will think about what they would do in such a situation as MB was forced to be. Help by authority asked for but refused numerous times. That jury too will consider if there was a bias.

You are so blinded that you can’t see the comments of people stating it was MBs castle that was being violated. That her behaviors were astronomically inappropriate and uncalled for. That a very successful man was driven to madness. In your preaching and posturing you forget the dynamic of that jury: a group of suburbaned professionals who have worked hard to buy their OWN home.

Odds are you probably feel good about being ready to die on this hill forgetting that YOU will not be sitting in that jury box but that a group of citizens who won’t have the stomach to tolerate LKs behavior will.

Yes we know how you would vote your verdict but your odd blind devotion doesn’t enable you to consider that based on observations of public opinion, and the comments they’ve made, MB will prevail.

And not only that… it’s not even close.

I have no idea how the civil jury will react to a whole lot of evidence they haven’t seen before and neither have we. I haven’t claimed to know nor have I fabricated scenarios that haven’t been testified in court.

I have said that full disclosure is a double edge sword and I think a quiet settlement would be best for both parties.

I don’t there is any credulity to attacking Judge Taylor for not allowing a self defense. I see you changed the subject here but I’ll take is back to it.

In a criminal trial, you can’t present an alternative scenario without evidence to back it up. Judge Taylor could not allow self defense because the only witnesses, imperfect though they were, and the evidence only allowed for MB to be the shooter, no one else.

Either you have no idea that the Judge can’t allow imaginary scenarios with no evidence or you seem to think you know evidence that was not allowed. Is that it? What evidence do you think Judge Taylor did not allow that would then have allowed self defense?

In a civil trial, imaginary scenarios with no evidence may be allowed or not. I don’t know. MB’s past will be allowed. His divorce will be allowed. More information detrimental to LK and RG will be allowed. I don’t know what information there will be not so I have a concept of where the civil trial will go.

I think people sending him grudge information on LK just prior to the shooting, as he didn’t read the PI report, may also be responsible for sending him over the edge and increasing the anxiety and distress at the barn. There was a lot of really bad judgment going on.

When you say imaginary scenarios I see projection.

The ones that drove him over the edge were the drug addicts.

Of the party’s past acts that may be examined LK is in a far, far more vulnerable position.

I’m feeling good about this. Even better than last time when I was also right.

But hey, if it comforts you to cling to your stuff, no sweat off my back hair. You do you.

I predict the civil case will be devastation for one of the parties. I don’t think she’ll handle that very well.

[Warmblood1]

@SierraMist

The Judge in the civil court will follow the trial rules. MB can’t come in now and say it’s a miracle, I now remember everything that happened that day and it was self defense! MB and Bilinkas went the route of amnesia and delusions, kept MB out of prison, and now they have to live with that.

There are no hard and fast rules to amnesia. Memories can sometimes be recovered.

For all we know, he could have TBI. I have TBI and I’ve been able to recover memories even though my memory specifically was affected.

Who knows how his treatment will progress. Every case is different.

[Knights_Mom]

@Warmblood1

@SierraMist

The Judge in the civil court will follow the trial rules. MB can’t come in now and say it’s a miracle, I now remember everything that happened that day and it was self defense! MB and Bilinkas went the route of amnesia and delusions, kept MB out of prison, and now they have to live with that.

There are no hard and fast rules to amnesia. Memories can sometimes be recovered.

For all we know, he could have TBI. I have TBI and I’ve been able to recover memories even though my memory specifically was affected.

Who knows how his treatment will progress. Every case is different.

Indeed I suspect if MB regained memory of the event it would be a very bad day in LaLaLand. That testimony would be the stuff of nightmares for her position.

[AnotherRound]

@SierraMist

Judge in the civil court will follow the trial rules. MB can’t come in now and say it’s a miracle, I now remember everything that happened that day and it was self defense! MB and Bilinkas went the route of amnesia and delusions, kept MB out of prison, and now they have to live with that.

You know that statement is really shaming to people with TBI who work hard to recover their memories, and often do, sometimes only in part, often over months and years, and those who try and try and never do. Losing the memories can be traumatic in themselves. Anoxic brain injury is devastating and can kill off brain cells and brain tissue. that plus impact trauma MB absorbed can easily account for memory loss; it wasn’t a “route” his attorneys chose to keep him out of prison it’s apparently what happened to him. As a neuro scientist this statement is partially shaming g and upsetting to me.

[Knights_Mom]

@AnotherRound

@SierraMist

Judge in the civil court will follow the trial rules. MB can’t come in now and say it’s a miracle, I now remember everything that happened that day and it was self defense! MB and Bilinkas went the route of amnesia and delusions, kept MB out of prison, and now they have to live with that.

You know that statement is really shaming to people with TBI who work hard to recover their memories, and often do, sometimes only in part, often over months and years, and those who try and try and never do. Losing the memories can be traumatic in themselves. Anoxic brain injury is devastating and can kill off brain cells and brain tissue. that plus impact trauma MB absorbed can easily account for memory loss; it wasn’t a “route” his attorneys chose to keep him out of prison it’s apparently what happened to him. As a neuro scientist this statement is partially shaming g and upsetting to me.

I agree with you completely.

I’m not surprised at this though.

[SierraMist]

@erinmeri

Do some people copy and paste old arguments? Or do they have them so memorized that they can just repeat them by rote?

It’s beginning to look a lot like Groundhogs Day…

Have you ever studied the pleasures of hate? There have been articles, essays and books written about it. Perhaps the best example in particular is how the KKK take such pleasure in their hate. The enjoyment they get from dehumanizing jokes and comments. From a social standpoint, these threads that continually repeat the same themes of hating LK, RG, her family, the Judge in the case, the Prosecutor, ridiculing witnesses, and even posters here who have a different view - are very similar to hate groups. The KKK uses many disclaimers to excuse their hateful comments. They appear to take great enjoyment in repeating their hate. Similar to the posters here who have repeated the same hateful comments over and over and over, some admitting their hate for LK, one admitting hers and others’ comments have been mean and nasty. There is apparent delight in expressing hate over and over and then using disclaimers to excuse their words and behavior.

I know my words will be meaningless to those so entrenched in repeating hateful comments they can’t see what many, who don’t normally comment, see and read when we wade into these threads. I know my comments will be met with derision, jabs and insults from the usual parties. It’s not a good look for the dressage community. But perhaps that’s what the dressage community has turned into. It only takes a few to infect the whole lot.

Maybe try to be a better person than those you condemn, set better behavior examples for the younger folks in the horse community. Let this tragic event serve as a vehicle to strive for better ways to communicate and resolve issues between trainers, students and other people involved in the community. No one has won or will win anything in this Barisone case. It’s tragedy all around.

Peace out.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@hut-ho78

I think people sending him grudge information on LK just prior to the shooting, as he didn’t read the PI report, may also be responsible for sending him over the edge and increasing the anxiety and distress at the barn. There was a lot of really bad judgment going on.

I decided to just address this part of your comment in particular.

It seems like you are referencing “Joey” with this statement about people who sent him “grudge information” right before the shooting.

Is that correct?

If so, are you trying to allege that Joey bears some responsibility for sending MB over the edge, and somehow she is partially to blame for the situation that unfolded in August of 2019 at that farm in NJ?

[ekat]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I decided to just address this part of your comment in particular.

It seems like you are referencing “Joey” with this statement about people who sent him “grudge information” right before the shooting.

Is that correct?

If so, are you trying to allege that Joey bears some responsibility for sending MB over the edge, and somehow she is partially to blame for the situation that unfolded in August of 2019 at that farm in NJ?

I’m pretty sure he read his PI report as well, since he mentioned things from it in those 911 calls, and Dr Simring testified about the impact it had on him. Just saying…

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

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@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Angela_Freda

…aaaand LK having shot at RG in the past, shared online all about her guns, and had suggested that a gun on the farm had gone missing.
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Oh, was it RG she shot at previously? I was never sure if it was him or some other guy-

I knew about the incident, just wasn’t sure who she was shooting at.

It was a tire on his bike.

I just wanted to revisit this.

Wasn’t MB charged with attempted murder when he allegedly fired a gun towards RG at the house in NJ in Aug 2019? Yet they didn’t even have definitive evidence of a third shot.

But LK fires a gun at RG while he’s on a motorcycle, apparently nearly taking out one of his tires, and you just think that’s… not a big deal?

It seems to me like RG is lucky to be alive.

[Warmblood1]

@SierraMist

Have you ever studied the pleasures of hate? There have been articles, essays and books written about it. Perhaps the best example in particular is how the KKK take such pleasure in their hate. The enjoyment they get from dehumanizing jokes and comments. From a social standpoint, these threads that continually repeat the same themes of hating LK, RG, her family, the Judge in the case, the Prosecutor, ridiculing witnesses, and even posters here who have a different view - are very similar to hate groups. The KKK uses many disclaimers to excuse their hateful comments. They appear to take great enjoyment in repeating their hate. Similar to the posters here who have repeated the same hateful comments over and over and over, some admitting their hate for LK, one admitting hers and others’ comments have been mean and nasty. There is apparent delight in expressing hate over and over and then using disclaimers to excuse their words and behavior.

Just want to be sure I understand… you’re going to compare a public message board with members voluntarily participating in the civil discussion of a public criminal and civil trial to one of the most violent terrorist organizations on the planet?

Perhaps you should research the Tulsa Race Riots, the killing of 14 year old Emmett Till, or any of the countless violent and heinous killings on behalf of the KKK. What a spit in the face to those victims and communities. What an insult to the lives lost. I’ve read some absurd things on this forum but your persistent attempts of comparing the KKK to this discussion are appalling.

[Knights_Mom]

@SierraMist

@erinmeri

Do some people copy and paste old arguments? Or do they have them so memorized that they can just repeat them by rote?

It’s beginning to look a lot like Groundhogs Day…

Have you ever studied the pleasures of hate? There have been articles, essays and books written about it. Perhaps the best example in particular is how the KKK take such pleasure in their hate. The enjoyment they get from dehumanizing jokes and comments. From a social standpoint, these threads that continually repeat the same themes of hating LK, RG, her family, the Judge in the case, the Prosecutor, ridiculing witnesses, and even posters here who have a different view - are very similar to hate groups. The KKK uses many disclaimers to excuse their hateful comments. They appear to take great enjoyment in repeating their hate. Similar to the posters here who have repeated the same hateful comments over and over and over, some admitting their hate for LK, one admitting hers and others’ comments have been mean and nasty. There is apparent delight in expressing hate over and over and then using disclaimers to excuse their words and behavior.

I know my words will be meaningless to those so entrenched in repeating hateful comments they can’t see what many, who don’t normally comment, see and read when we wade into these threads. I know my comments will be met with derision, jabs and insults from the usual parties. It’s not a good look for the dressage community. But perhaps that’s what the dressage community has turned into. It only takes a few to infect the whole lot.

Maybe try to be a better person than those you condemn, set better behavior examples for the younger folks in the horse community. Let this tragic event serve as a vehicle to strive for better ways to communicate and resolve issues between trainers, students and other people involved in the community. No one has won or will win anything in this Barisone case. It’s tragedy all around.

Peace out.

I find your attempt to preach kindness to us while you support someone like LK who has been so unkind to so many people for so long incredibly disingenuous. And ironic. Add ridiculous and condescending as well. Surely you must be kidding!

I’m sure I speak for many when I say I’m just fine with my actions and words.

And I’ve never once tried to Finish The Bastard so there’s that too.

[hut-ho78]

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@hut-ho78

I think people sending him grudge information on LK just prior to the shooting, as he didn’t read the PI report, may also be responsible for sending him over the edge and increasing the anxiety and distress at the barn. There was a lot of really bad judgment going on.

I decided to just address this part of your comment in particular.

It seems like you are referencing “Joey” with this statement about people who sent him “grudge information” right before the shooting.

Is that correct?

If so, are you trying to allege that Joey bears some responsibility for sending MB over the edge, and somehow she is partially to blame for the situation that unfolded in August of 2019 at that farm in NJ?

Why would I be singling out GirlJoey or any individual? I referenced “people.”

I suppose all of the information sent to MB from all parties has been pored over by now by both civil teams.
What happens if information sent under these circumstances turns out to be false, defamatory, and inflammatory? Is that grounds for further lawsuits? Would libel be included for that?

[hut-ho78]

@ekat

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

I decided to just address this part of your comment in particular.

It seems like you are referencing “Joey” with this statement about people who sent him “grudge information” right before the shooting.

Is that correct?

If so, are you trying to allege that Joey bears some responsibility for sending MB over the edge, and somehow she is partially to blame for the situation that unfolded in August of 2019 at that farm in NJ?

I’m pretty sure he read his PI report as well, since he mentioned things from it in those 911 calls, and Dr Simring testified about the impact it had on him. Just saying…

I thought Judge Taylor commented during the PI testimony that MB had not had time to read the PI report.

[hut-ho78]

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@hut-ho78

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@Angela_Freda

…aaaand LK having shot at RG in the past, shared online all about her guns, and had suggested that a gun on the farm had gone missing.
[/quote]

Oh, was it RG she shot at previously? I was never sure if it was him or some other guy-

I knew about the incident, just wasn’t sure who she was shooting at.

It was a tire on his bike.

I just wanted to revisit this.

Wasn’t MB charged with attempted murder when he allegedly fired a gun towards RG at the house in NJ in Aug 2019? Yet they didn’t even have definitive evidence of a third shot.

But LK fires a gun at RG while he’s on a motorcycle, apparently nearly taking out one of his tires, and you just think that’s… not a big deal?

It seems to me like RG is lucky to be alive.

I believe the information about the bike incident came from an LK FB post where she bragged about shooting the tire on RG’s bike so he couldn’t ride it as she had concerns for his safety. So it was the shooting of an inanimate object.

How on earth would you come up with shooting at RG on a bike? I don’t remember her stating he was on the bike at the time and there wasn’t even a bleeding out gunshot victim next to the bike to indicate a threat to any person ir a struggle for life recorded on a 911 call.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Virginia_Horse_Mom

@hut-ho78

I think people sending him grudge information on LK just prior to the shooting, as he didn’t read the PI report, may also be responsible for sending him over the edge and increasing the anxiety and distress at the barn. There was a lot of really bad judgment going on.

I decided to just address this part of your comment in particular.

It seems like you are referencing “Joey” with this statement about people who sent him “grudge information” right before the shooting.

Is that correct?

If so, are you trying to allege that Joey bears some responsibility for sending MB over the edge, and somehow she is partially to blame for the situation that unfolded in August of 2019 at that farm in NJ?

Why would I be singling out GirlJoey or any individual? I referenced “people.”

I suppose all of the information sent to MB from all parties has been pored over by now by both civil teams.
What happens if information sent under these circumstances turns out to be false, defamatory, and inflammatory? Is that grounds for further lawsuits? Would libel be included for that?

You folks seem to be posting in desperation because little else would explain posting the bizarro things being said tonight.

I’m not sure why you would think people are “sending” things to any team from here unless you yourself are doing so. Projection on parade.

As to the validity of any information sent it would be up to that legal team to decipher what is valid and what is not - from ANY source. That’s their job. In this regard I’m sure LKs team is overwhelmed by 19,000 pages and more of inappropriate, demeaning and false comments and posts by LK.

The sheer volume of her venom is staggering. And everyone sees it.

So what a strange comment for you to make.

Your libel comment is so LKesque that I busted out laughing. I would have thought you people learned about that by now but apparently not. So this threat goes the way of all the others, into the pathetic bin of desperate whining and idle threat.

I’m sure you think you are helping her. Newsflash: you’re not.