Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

[Can_tFindMyWhip]

@Marla 100

I was just reading up on plea deals and saw that 95% of all criminal cases are settled by negotiating a plea. So very few go to trial and if that’s the case here, we may never hear all the details about evidence in this case.

And according to what I read, most attorneys try to persuade their accused client to take a plea. Interesting to read the behind the scenes details about this. Attorneys say cases where there’s a plea deal are easy money vs. going to trial
which is loads of time and work and most criminal defendants don’t have the money for a trial.

I don’t believe that this case will go to trial, but not because of lazy or greedy lawyers.

If I were MB’s lawyer, I’d think it was too risky. It’s possible that this case is going to come down to what the victims say happened, it doesn’t sound like there are any other witnesses of the actual altercation and shooting. And it doesn’t sound like there is much physical evidence either, just injured people. MB was there, it’s not like he has an alibi and is trying to deny he did it. He is culpable. What’s not clear is how much premeditation happened. [I’m going to take a wild guess here though and say not much.]

If I were a prosecutor, I would be afraid to turn the case over to a jury. I don’t think that LK or RG are going to perform well on the witness stand if they truly are a volatile as people are making them out to be. It’s possible that jurors will listen to those two talk and not like them, and that will matter during deliberation, whether it is supposed to or not. And while loads of cases can make it to trial without calling major players or suspects to the stand, I don’t think that this is one of those cases.

I don’t think this is going to be a slam dunk for either side, and the wisest thing is going to be a plea deal.

[enjoytheride]

@Marla 100

Again, in the eyes of the law, gunhshot wounds to the upper chest are assumed to be meant to kill. Look it up.
Especially close up shots, which these apparently were.

This is not true. Any time you point a gun at someone you have “intent to kill” Any gunshot is an “attempt to kill” and someone who wings someone in the arm is most likely poorly trained, full of adrenaline, and pretty much just point and shoot and not aiming. You don’t get a lighter charge because you shot someone in the leg. That’s ridiculous.

Police officers “wound” bad guys in the movies, if you aim anwhere besides center mass you risk missing entirely. Police officers are always taught to aim for center mass, bigger area to hit.

[Angela_Freda]

@Marla 100

MB is the accused attempted murderer. LK is the injured victim. I’m only looking at the confrontation from his perspective because HE took the actions to perpetrate this crime.

You folks can deny, deny all you want , LE and the state’s attorney believe MB is the criminal here and LK is a victim.
You can fret and fuss cause you don’t like the victim but it doesn’t excuse the charges of the esteemed trainer. He
was fallible. If she committed any crimes against him, she may be charged but I haven’t heard about any charges
against her or her bf. Like it or not, MB was the perp here.

I asked you a very specific question, which you’ve chosen not to answer. That illustrates your own bias. Deny, deny, deny that LK chose not to get away from the person she claimed to fear, the smart choice you yourself suggest, all you want.
If there’s an onus on people to get away from those they fear, I’d assume that applies universally.

I don’t “fret” because I dislike LK. I don’t know her, or him.
I’m not trying to excuse the shooting crime. I’m simply trying to understand it. Like a jurist might. And like a jurist, I’m just picking up the facts and the words and actions of the parties involved.

[Watchturtle]

“Don’t poke the badger”, said Common Sense.
“I’ve poked plenty of kitties and bunnies and puppies and nothing ever happened”, She said, “Besides, I’ve poked Mr. Badger before and all He does is growl and snarl.”
“Don’t poke the badger”, said Common Sense, louder.
(Several iteration of the above)
“Watch this”, She said, “I bet that Mr. Badger will react when I poke his babies.”
And He did.

[ladyj79]

“facts”

Let’s not pretend that what is happening here has much to do with facts.

[Knights_Mom]

What makes everyone so sure MB brought the gun to where LK lives?

Isn’t it possible he went there to confront her, she came out with HER gun and then as a 120 lb female wrestled with a 6’4 fit Male over possession of the gun she got shot?

Not saying it’s PROBABLE. Am saying its POSSIBLE.

Also the judge was inappropriate when he spoke. He stated that MB brought the gun to kill her.

It was a bail hearing. MB has not been tried, there is no finding as of yet. The judge needed to say ALLEGEDLY.

[ladyj79]

@Knights Mom

What makes everyone so sure MB brought the gun to where LK lives?

Isn’t it possible he went there to confront her, she came out with HER gun and then as a 120 lb female wrestled with a 6’4 fit Male over possession of the gun she got shot?

Not saying it’s PROBABLE. Am saying its POSSIBLE.

Also the judge was inappropriate when he spoke. He stated that MB brought the gun to kill her.

It was a bail hearing. MB has not been tried, there is no finding as of yet. The judge needed to say ALLEGEDLY.

so if you read the thread, you would actually find most of the people on the thread making that argument, that’s it’s the victims gun that Michael valiantly wrestled for and then shot her

[Knights_Mom]

I keep seeing repeated references to it being his gun that he brought there and was addressing those statements.

[Knights_Mom]

Oh and for the record: A landlord removing a tenants door to get them to move is illegal and is categorized as an Illegal Lockout.

Landlord/Tenant is one of the aspects of my job in law. Among other things, I issue eviction warrants for a living.

So don’t do that! It’s considered naughty!

[westisbest]

@Marla 100

The hearing was a detention hearing to determine if he would get bond. He did not and must stay in jail til his case is heard.
We are waiting to hear of his arraignment hearing at which time he’ll plead guilty or not guilty unless a plea negotiation is
done in the mean time.

Unless he appeals the bail decision correct ? But seems like that will not happen.

[clanter]

@MHM

You know this how, exactly? The people who have posted on this thread who say they know something about guns seem to be surprised that she is still alive with two 9 mm gun shots in her.

I don’t know much of anything about guns myself, but I would think if someone was trying to kill another person at close range with a serious handgun, the other person would be dead.

the main reason she isn’t dead was the hospital she was transported to Morristown Medical Center’s Trauma Center is verified as a Level I Regional Trauma Center by the American College of Surgeons and designated a Level II by the state of New Jersey.

https://www.atlantichealth.org/conditions-treatments/trauma-critical-care.html

if she had been elsewhere I really do not believe she would be alive

[Marla_100]

From the Morris Co. Prosecutor’s website: Besides 2 counts of Attempted Murder,first degree, Barisone was charged
with “2 counts of Possession of a Weapon for Unlawful Purpose.”

Sounds to me like HE brought the weapon to the scene.

https://prosecutor.morriscountynj.gov/2019/08/man-charged-with-two-counts-of-attempted-murder-in-connection-with-shooting-in-washington-township/

[Marla_100]

@westisbest

Unless he appeals the bail decision correct ? But seems like that will not happen.

Just saw a blurb somewhere that his atty. is addressing that very question.

[JustTheTicket]

@Marla 100

From the Morris Co. Prosecutor’s website: Besides 2 counts of Attempted Murder,first degree, Barisone was charged
with “2 counts of Possession of a Weapon for Unlawful Purpose.”

Sounds to me like HE brought the weapon to the scene.

https://prosecutor.morriscountynj.gov/2019/08/man-charged-with-two-counts-of-attempted-murder-in-connection-with-shooting-in-washington-township/

From my understanding, the possession charge is because he had it physically in his possession to shoot it, not necessarily that it’s his or that he brought it. As it’s been said already in this thread, yes, he could have come down to the house with it, or she could have come out of the house with it and had it taken away.

[soloudinhere]

@clanter

the main reason she isn’t dead was the hospital she was transported to Morristown Medical Center’s Trauma Center is verified as a Level I Regional Trauma Center by the American College of Surgeons and designated a Level II by the state of New Jersey.

https://www.atlantichealth.org/conditions-treatments/trauma-critical-care.html

if she had been elsewhere I really do not believe she would be alive

She was alive enough to call 911 herself and was apparently speaking when the medics and police arrived. If she was intelligible on the phone, it seems likely that she escaped serious damage to heart, lungs, or throat.

it’s entirely possible to be shot and be basically fine, just with a serious flesh wound.

I wasn’t there, I don’t know, but while it sounds very serious indeed to require surgery and be in “serious” condition, nothing about the report says to me that anyone was in any immediate danger of dying.

[westisbest]

Was not able to upload screenshot from Mary Haskins dressage Insta but there’s a pic of Raquel Welch in a gaucho hat holding a gun hashtag #iloverevolvers

[Maude]

@Marla 100

I was just reading up on plea deals and saw that 95% of all criminal cases are settled by negotiating a plea. So very few go to trial and if that’s the case here, we may never hear all the details about evidence in this case.

And according to what I read, most attorneys try to persuade their accused client to take a plea. Interesting to read the behind the scenes details about this. Attorneys say cases where there’s a plea deal are easy money vs. going to trial
which is loads of time and work and most criminal defendants don’t have the money for a trial.

The prosecution would probably love a plea deal because if they put LK on the stand everyone will see what a whack job she is and it will not help their case.

[Marla_100]

@soloudinhere

She was alive enough to call 911 herself and was apparently speaking when the medics and police arrived. If she was intelligible on the phone, it seems likely that she escaped serious damage to heart, lungs, or throat.

it’s entirely possible to be shot and be basically fine, just with a serious flesh wound.

I wasn’t there, I don’t know, but while it sounds very serious indeed to require surgery and be in “serious” condition, nothing about the report says to me that anyone was in any immediate danger of dying.

Initially some media reports said she was hit in the “heart and Lung” and she was semi-conscious when LE arrived.
Remember many times shot victims do not bleed out right away and they can speak, just like Megan Betts in the Dayton Ohio massacre told someone next to her to call police, I’ve been shot. Then she died.
Also LK’s family confirmed she was shot in a lung and had surgery for that.
I don’t think there’s any doubt she was seriously wounded.

[Maude]

@Manahmanah

LK subjected MB to sustained harassment and psychological abuse. If you beat a dog long enough, dont act surprised when it eventually bites you.

The poster who told the whole story in a gender swap was absolutely right. If a man was harassing a woman, calling ICE on her, living in her home and refusing to leave, threatening her family, jeopardizing her livelihood, calling dyfus, screaming “I’m going to destroy you” outside her bedroom window, and god knows what else… there would be outpourings of sympathy for her.

would I have shot her? Probably not. I will tell you though for sure, if some woman did that to my husband she would have gotten one or more brutal ass beatings (by me) long ago.

Mine too!

[MeisterMagnolia]

@Marla 100

If someone had threatened me and I was fearful they would hurt me- I would not get in my truck and drive to their residence to confront them in person- If I needed to communicate with them I would pick up my phone and call them.

But the way it looks, MB went there to confront her/them and with a gun and shot her twice in the chest. If he were fearful before he shot her, he would have retreated, got back in his truck and left. Or never have gone in person at all.

In the eyes of the law chest shots are meant to be lethal. Two shots guaranteed lethal (in the shooters mind).

Again, MB grabbed his gun, got in his truck and went to them. He was intent on causing serious bodily harm in the eyes of the law.

just my opinion.

Again, you’re speculating without facts. It was HIS residence, not theirs. He may or may not have been alcohol impaired, or emotionally distraught, or who knows what - but YOU don’t know his intent. You are inventing facts to support your ideas, and that’s it.